How to Break a Liberal’s Brain (Part 2): What’s Wrong with White Supremacy?
May 17th, 2012 by Unamused
John Derbyshire’s latest thought-crime against humanity is up at VDARE.com: “Who Are We? — The ‘Dissident Right’?” (May 10).
Derbyshire’s “racism” (meaning clear and honest thinking on issues of race) is on full display: besides the standard “racist” content (e.g., insufficient hatred of White people, failure to identify conservatism with pure evil, etc.), the article features the following much-quoted passage — a slap in the face and a kick in the crotch to “anti-racists” (meaning anti-White racists) everywhere.
The enemies of conservatism are eager to supply their own nomenclature. “White Supremacist” seems to be their current favorite. It is meant maliciously, of course, to bring up images of fire-hoses, attack dogs, pick handles, and segregated lunch counters — to imply that conservatives, especially non-mainstream conservatives, are cruel people with dark thoughts.
Leaving aside the intended malice, I actually think “White Supremacist” is not bad semantically. White supremacy, in the sense of a society in which key decisions are made by white Europeans, is one of the better arrangements History has come up with. There have of course been some blots on the record, but I don’t see how it can be denied that net-net, white Europeans have made a better job of running fair and stable societies than has any other group.
Even non-whites acknowledge this in unguarded moments: this Zimbabwean blogger, for example, or the American high school student in this exchange with his teacher:
One day I asked the bored, black faces staring back at me: “What would happen if all the white people in America disappeared tomorrow?”
“We screwed,” a young, pitch-black boy screamed back. The rest of the blacks laughed. [A White Teacher Speaks Out, American Renaissance, July 2009]
Non-white supremacy is after all the rule over much of the world, from entire continental spaces like sub-Saharan Africa to individual black-run or mestizo-run municipalities in the U.S.A. I see no great floods into these places by refugees desperate to escape the horrors of white supremacy.
What are we to make of this?
Reasonable people: “well, duh”
Remember how it is that we break a liberal’s brain: “for many fundamental liberal beliefs, there are conservative counterarguments so clear, so compelling, so commonsensical that they leave leftists and their allies speechless.”
In this instance, the fundamental liberal belief is that White supremacy is evil. Obviously, unquestionably, tautologically evil. Supremely evil, in fact (according to every right-thinking moral relativist). It is the greatest evil the world has ever known — no, the greatest evil any possible world could ever know! Even to contemplate moving the supremely evil notion of “White” “supremacy” down a rung or two in the hierarchy of evil (say, just above #7: opposition to gay marriage) is to commit a hate crime of Hitlerian proportions.
The conservative counterargument: point out how well White supremacy works in practice.
Let’s look at Derbyshire’s argument in greater detail. There are three main points.
- Overall, historically, White supremacy (“a society in which key decisions are made by white Europeans”) has worked out relatively well.
- Many non-Whites will acknowledge this, if only implicitly (in their migration patterns, for instance — see below).
- Non-White supremacy, which is in practice the only alternative to White supremacy, is uniformly horrible when it is Blacks or Mestizos (“Hispanics”) who are left in charge; Asians are a mixed bag. For proof, just look at who is migrating where.
You can’t really dispute any of these fundamental points — well, you can, but you’ll have to resort to lies, hopelessly faulty reasoning, or both.
For instance, you might point to one example of a less-than-ideal White supremacist society, or even a really lousy one, like Nazi Germany, while of course ignoring the words “overall” and “relatively.”
You might point to some non-Whites who have allegedly suffered in some way under a White supremacist regime, again ignoring those two crucial words: “overall” and “relatively.”
You might even claim that you really like the way Blacks and Mestizos run their countries and will be emigrating any second now. (We really wish you would.)
But you’ll probably just scream “RACIST!”
Liberals: “ow, my brain”
You see, liberals who wish to avoid terminal brain-breakage are left with four basic responses:
- get really angry,
- be really sarcastic,
- more-or-less literally attack your opponents (in Derbyshire’s case, they already got him fired from National Review), and
- try to preempt them by getting to the debate first and letting everyone know they can just go home because your opponents are big ol’ racists so there’s no need to listen to anything they have to say.
For example, watch the heads explode over at the New York Observer, in “John Derbyshire Thinks White Supremacy is Pretty Great, Historically Speaking” (May 14). Let’s skim the boilerplate.
… blatantly racist… subtly racist… anti-immigration… Southern Poverty Law Center… “hate group.”
Off to a good start: no actual content, but she did use the word “racist” a lot. Now let’s get into the snark.
But over at VDare, Mr. Derbyshire used his inaugural column to clarify some misconceptions. Mainly, that the term “White Supremacist” gets a really bad rap!
Well, yes, the term “White supremacist” does in fact get a really bad rap — the very article in which the apparently sarcastic sentence appears, for instance.
And who are we to argue with History, really?
Well, yes, the last few centuries, at the very least, clearly show the superiority of those societies “in which key decisions are made by white Europeans.”
(Coincidentally, the argument that White Supremacists get a bad name directly conflicts with his previous essay on how stereotypes are “essential life tools.”)
Well, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, because it’s not at all obvious what “directly conflicts” with what and how it does so, and this seems like the sort of thing you should explain in your article, maybe just a little, but hey, you’ve preemptively dismissed the value of stereotypes, so I guess I won’t look into the matter any further.
White Power Bob will be so thrilled to hear…
Haha! White Power Bob! That evokes images of poor White people! Fuck those losers! Hahaha!
(Obviously, economically disadvantaged People of Color are awesome.)
… that all intended malice aside, a pure European bloodline is just factually superior to any other race or ethnicity.
Well… okay, uh, now we appear to be getting into some weird stuff that the author concocted on her own specifically to sound ridiculous. Does it, though?
Does it really?
Given the heritability of human behavioral traits like intelligence and conscientiousness, and given the overall superiority of European-run societies (England vs. Ethiopia, Canada vs. Congo, Holland vs. Haiti, Germany vs. Gabon), which is likely due in part to the distribution of those traits within and between the major population groups (“races”), I expect that “a pure European bloodline” would plausibly be “just factually superior to any other race or ethnicity.”
Oh, wait, I did that wrong. I was supposed to burn a cross and get a swastika tattooed on my forehead so everyone can identify the stoopid racist, right?
Surely a few oopsies like Hitler not winning World War II can’t erase all the evidence that white Europeans should run all of society, right?
A guest appearance by robotic intergalactic space-Hitler? Who could have guessed. That guy is always up to something!
For me, the two most amusing things about this line are the fact that it took White men, from White societies, dedicated to White values, armed with White technology to defeat Hitler, which means this cannot possibly be an argument against White supremacy (see, that’s how you show that something “directly contradicts” something else); and secondly, the author’s convenient omission of what I’m sure is a really long list of societies (past or present) run by Blacks or Mestizos that would have stood any chance of defeating Germany under Hitler, or indeed defeating Luxembourg under Dupong, or maybe just some that aren’t totally shitty places to live.
More liberals: “brain not work so good no more”
More head explosions occur at the Atlantic Wire, in the badly edited “Racism for Dollars: John Derbyshire Turns White Supremacist Pitchman” (May 14).
Allow me to distill the essence of this article for you:
- White supremacy is obviously, unquestionably, tautologically bad
- some people with different opinions are soliciting donations
- DAS RACISS
It is nothing more than an attack — a financial one — on John Derbyshire and VDARE.com: make sure you don’t give these racists any money, especially the racist with cancer, or they’ll just spend it on more racism and you’ll be a racist too! (Aside: my eyes just sort of skip over the word “racist” now.)
If you don’t believe me, here’s the article (emphasis mine).
John Derbyshire’s first column VDARE after being fired from the National Review — besides one dedicated to thanking generous readers — includes a defense of WHITE SUPREMACISM. It doesn’t seem like a coincidence that one of Derbyshire’s most EXPLICITLY RACIST ESSAYS is packaged with a very explicit request for donations. It seems Derbyshire has discovered one of the benefits of turning off lots of mainstream readers by writing a RACIST ESSAY about advising his kids to avoid black people is that it earns the loyalty of a smaller number of RACIST READERS who will pay money for more RACIST STUFF… BLATANTLY RACIST STUFF… pandering to RACISTS… RACIST NEWSLETTERS…
Did you get all that?
Racist essays, racist authors, racist websites, racist readers; racist posters, racist pamphlets, racist flyers, racist leaflets; racist countries, racist states, racist manors and estates; racist counties, racist towns, racist neighborhoods abound (and let us not forget racist backyard barbecues in racist neighborhoods, racist barbecues in racist locations other than backyards, delicious meats grilled slowly through racist methods other than racist barbecuing, and general racist food products considered independently of the slow racist grilling of delicious racist meats in racist backyards — but I digress); racist flowers, racist trees, racist birds, racist bees, racist clouds, racist seas (oh look, a racist shooting star!); racist people, racist things, racist burgers, racist wings; racist teachers at racist schools, who enforce the racist rules; racist cops and racist laws, racist cats with racist paws; racist every kind of stuff — okay, I think you’ve had enough.
Unamusement Park: the Dr. Seuss of racism.
Raciss Dr. Seuss is awesome.
But WWII couldn’t have been won without the Tuskegee Airmen destroying Hitler’s army of genetically engineered Aryan super villains, their cybernetic dinosaurs, and their Antarctic UFOs.
Unamusement Park is becoming my favorite website. Funny and insightful, with a huge dollop of truth sitting right on top.
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Speaking of Hitler, we know from the media that his Aryan supremacy theory was proven incorrect by all those noble black athletes that the US used.
Oops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics#medal_count
Let’s not forget those:
Racist cows giving racist milk,
Racist goats and their racist ilk,
Racist apples and racist cherries,
Racist pie made from racist blueberries,
Racist hash goes with racist eggs,
Drink your racist coffee to its racist dregs,
Racist this and racist that,
Aretha is racist when she racistly sings scat,
Racists think Gaelic music is involved with the blues,
Racists don’t know the best ‘Murrican poet is Langston Hughes,
Racists are bothered by Saint Al Sharpton,
Racists can never say Gimme Dat Harp, son.
Damn ole racists think Water Ain’t Wet,
And it’s racist to think What You See Is What You Get.
[unamused: marvelous]
I like John Derbyshire and Unamused. I like the way they think and the way they write. I might be turning into a racist. But I like all the non-white people also. They are very very very nice. Especially the negroes, they are extremely nice. Wonderful really. I see them on the TV and they’re funny and sassy. And they’re doctors and judges and scientists. Just really really nice.
An open and well-expressed defense of white supremacism is a huge shift in the Overton Window. Good for him. The man is genius. All in, as they say.
There’s a new column up by Derbyshire at VDare today. It’s interesting that, now he’s freed from the embrace of the “respectable” right, he seems to be coming rapidly to the basic truths about race and HBD that are daily fare at alt-right sites.
Sheila noted:
Haventchaheard?
Plagiarism is the
- New Originality
How about that. I am a White Supremacist.
You’ve been working way too hard lately. Why don’t you sit back, relax, and enjoy a moist, tender, hate-filled racist cupcake. You’ve earned it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-7vpabBoLM
[unamused: nom]
“Well, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, because it’s not at all obvious what “directly conflicts” with what and how it does so, and this seems like the sort of thing you should explain in your article, maybe just a little,”
Actually, it does make a whole lot of sense. Which I acknowledge is extremely unusual, to the point of being practically unheard of, for an anti-racism rant, particularly by one whose brain is in the process of breaking and is about to resort to snark.
I’ll translate the argument for you:
“People like Derbyshire, Kanizawa, and Unamused made the insightful and compelling argument that all stereotypes exist for a simple reason: because they are honest observations. This simple rule was illustrated well by Derbyshire’s article on “the talk”, in which he explained to his son that avoiding mobs of black people is wise because the stereotype of them frequently committing violent crime was based on honest observations of black mobs.
Therefore, since there is a stereotype that white supremacists are ugly, stupid, violent, hateful, tattooed, working-class thugs and criminals with no self-control, one can safely assume that white supremacists really are like that. And it is therefore illogical for him to complain about white supremacists getting a bad rap, or to suggest they are not like that.”
Which is a fair point. And since they have gone to the trouble of actually making an intelligent comment, and since I’m not an anti-racism activist, I’ll respond with rational argument of my own, rather than sarcasm, anger, and attacks.
We could use the standard liberal argument in this case of “It’s all just an image created by the media, with no basis in reality, to demonise white supremacists.” Of course, the problem with that argument is that there are many different negative stereotypes they could have chosen. Why didn’t they portray white supremacists as creepy effeminate AIDS-infected pedophiles? Or cannibals? Or suicide bombers who make their women wear burqas? Or as extroverted primitive spear-carrying child-like people in loincloths with sharpened teeth? Or four-eyed nerds? Or clumsy bumbling fools?
The simple answer is that the stereotype of white supremacists is indeed based on observations (amplified by the media) of those people who are easily identifiable as white supremacists. That kind of white supremacist does exist. However, the vast majority of white supremacists are white supremacists in complete secret who it is impossible for normal people to observe. White supremacists who are smart, not particularly hateful, and have impulse control, usually disguise themselves as normal white people so as not to be fired, demonised, and attacked. If they all came out of the closet, the stereotype would quickly change.
And historical white supremacists never get included in the stereotype because people are completely unaware that almost all white people throughout history, including the most celebrated heroes and inventors, even the ones who supported black people, firmly believed in the superiority of white-run countries.
If nobody can observe most of the group in question, then stereotypes are formed on the unrepresentative subset that can be observed, and can become exagerated without people noticing.
More outrage.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/14/483521/former-national-review-writer-claims-white-supremacy-is-one-of-the-better-arrangements-history-has-come-up-with/
I have no quarrel Derbyshire’s message, but I really didn’t think that’s what white supremacism means. What would you call a geographic area where there are separate, self-governing areas, a few multiracial but most inhabited overwhelmingly by a single race. To me that sounds like common sense; I certainly wouldn’t say it is a combination of white supremacy, black supremacy, etc.
Hitherto I was sure white supremacy always meant Whites reigning supreme over other races. I’m against that.
Oops, I almost forgot… For racist Dr. Seuss fans…
Genuine racist ads by Dr. Seuss (warning, some anti-racism cartoons also included at the end):
http://www.businessinsider.com/before-dr-seuss-was-famous-he-drew-these-sad-racist-ads-2012-3#flit-was-a-brand-of-insect-repellent-1
Racist WW2 propaganda by Dr. Seuss (warning, anti-racism one at the end again):
http://www.who-sucks.com/people/dr-seuss-sucks-7-racist-cartoons-from-the-doctor
Dr. Seuss was in fact an advertising cartoonist, then a political cartoonist, before he wrote childrens books. He was a hardcore liberal. But back then you could get away with things that are outrageously racist by modern standards.
@ Black Power White Power, dedicating himself to making liberals’ arguments for them: I think you’ve found the point the author was trying to make.
She does conflate White supremacy according to the Derb’s definition (“a society in which key decisions are made by white Europeans”) with “stereotypical” White supremacy, which is largely a product of the media. Yes, “the standard liberal argument” — but wait, there’s more!
The only problem with “the standard liberal argument” — about images created by the media — is not the form of the argument, but rather that all their premises happen to be false, liberalism basically being an inversion of reality.
Standard example: liberals assume that racist Whites control the media (false) and that Whites are just as criminal as Blacks (false), then count the number of times Black criminals appear on the news, thus proving that the racist Whites who control the media are blah blah blah negative images blah blah.
I agree it’s likely that “the stereotype of white supremacists is indeed based on observations (amplified by the media) of those people who are easily identifiable as white supremacists.” But it is important to weigh the two factors: observations and amplification.
The standard example again: the media downplay rather than amplify Black and Hispanic criminality, but they (in general) wildly exaggerate White racism.
I find it interesting how very few observations I have of “those people,” the White supremacists (yes, including the Internet, after I control for… the Internet), and how very very very few observations I had when I was younger. Yet I knew, just like “everybody knows,” that all of them fit the stereotype. There just could not possibly be a White supremacist who wasn’t stupid and hateful.
(Derbyshire: “researchers were not able to locate anybody who believes that a stereotype is true of all members of the stereotyped group” — but what about stereotypes forced upon us?)
Anyway, I don’t know what your own experiences with identifiable White supremacists have been, but if I set aside the media narrative, and fiction like American History X, I’m left with this: White people marching around.
Or this: White people essentially trying to defend themselves against a race war they see as inevitable (as do I), getting arrested on bullshit charges and then mischaracterized as — but I said I would set aside the media narrative, so never mind that.
What are those guys like, when they’re not posing for mugshots? I bet they’re not so bad after all. They’re certainly motivated.
It is true that “the vast majority of white supremacists are white supremacists in complete secret who it is impossible for normal people to observe.” And the closet h8ters are surely smarter, less hateful, and less impulsive, too.
btw, a (slowly) growing proportion of the world agrees with us – which makes the DWL/leftist crowd all the more strident & vociferous! see those agreeing with us in these comments from today’s baltimore sun, after a delegate warned of roving mobs of black youths in the harbor area:)
http://discussions.baltimoresun.com/20/balnews/bs-md-mcdonough-race-20120516/10
“Black Power White Power, dedicating himself to making liberals’ arguments for them”
Yeah, sorry about that. :-( It’s just that they lack the ability to do it for themselves, which makes debates much less fun and doesn’t give us a chance to show off our debating skill. And there’s no fun debating black people with IQs of 85.
The only problem with “the standard liberal argument” — about images created by the media — is not the form of the argument, but rather that all their premises happen to be false… liberals assume that racist Whites control the media…
That’s not the only problem, although it’s a major one.
“18 panjoomby
btw, a (slowly) growing proportion of the world agrees with us”
Yes, we should have promoted the “white racism is dead” argument more while it was still true. Soon we’re going to have to switch to: “white people eliminated racism almost completely, and bent over backwards to uplift black people, but nothing worked, and black people just behaved worse and worse, so now white people are giving up and accepting the reality.”
I think anti-racism has truly peaked. White people will never be less racist than they are right now.
The four ways a leftist tries to argue are spot on. It’s one of those things you & I knew, but never really thought about. Think I’ll just keep that saved in a text file for future use.
re, Penny Arcade: “2+3 = cats”. Yep… still the ‘Park
“I see them on the TV and they’re funny and sassy. And they’re doctors and judges and scientists. Just really really nice.”
Oh yeah? Well I watch “Hardcore Pawn”.
The conservative counterargument: point out how well White supremacy works in practice.
I’m always struck by how well the question of how our forefathers would assess our situation resonates with me. Maybe just for the choir, but it always hits home. What would Thomas Jefferson think? Jefferson Davis? Robert E. Lee? The average White man, pre-1925 or -1950? If he could take a peek at 2012, would he approve of what he sees? Or would he recoil in horror? 99.9% of them would return to the past and fight to the death to save the Confederacy, the Reich, Jim Crow, Apartheid.
For me, the two most amusing things about this line are the fact that it took White men, from White societies, dedicated to White values, armed with White technology to defeat Hitler, which means this cannot possibly be an argument against White supremacy (see, that’s how you show that something “directly contradicts” something else)
Right. When she’s done bashing the idea of White Supremacy by pointing out how the White Allies defeated the White Reich, she’ll go back to bashing pre-1960s America for its White Supremacy, yada yada yada.
An open and well-expressed defense of white supremacism is a huge shift in the Overton Window. Good for him. The man is genius. All in, as they say.
When he pulls a knife, you pull a gun. When they send one of yours to hospital, you send one of theirs to the fuckin’ morgue.
That’s the Chicago Way.
Blacks are goodier afleets because they is goodier athletes because of their race which is a social construct but you cannot say that they isn’t as smart as white people as they have an average IQ of 85 compared to whites 100. Kitty is confused.
There’s a new column up by Derbyshire at VDare today. It’s interesting that, now he’s freed from the embrace of the “respectable” right, he seems to be coming rapidly to the basic truths about race and HBD that are daily fare at alt-right sites.
Maybe he was just tiptoeing around the margins because he wanted to keep his job. He stepped over the line, they got him fired, and he figured, “fuck it, if they want to play it the Chicago Way, fine by me.” I mean, his incentive was gone, so…
Actually, it does make a whole lot of sense.
Yes, but it isn’t UA’s job to make her point for her.
Which I acknowledge is extremely unusual, to the point of being practically unheard of, for an anti-racism rant, particularly by one whose brain is in the process of breaking and is about to resort to snark.
It’s not unusual for a stopped clock to be right twice a day.
I’ll translate the argument for you:
Again, it wasn’t hard to get, it just isn’t UA’s job to make her point for her. If he makes her point for her, then he’s in the position of arguing against a point he’s made for her. This is why I like to make people state their points for themselves, first.
The counter is easy: our stereotypes are better than yours. And we don’t actually champion all stereotypes, just the good ones. And we aren’t the ones hanging our hats on dismissing stereotypes out of hand, and then turning around and making exceptions for YT only.
Hitherto I was sure white supremacy always meant Whites reigning supreme over other races. I’m against that.
Obviously words have different meanings, and people use phrases differently. Libtards mean a lot more by “White Supremacy” than we do. Our definition is more narrow. If we’re going by libtards’ definition, there are a hell of a lot more “White Supremacists” than there are if we’re going by our definition. And if we’re using the former, I’m a proud White Supremacist, but if we’re using our definition, then I’m not a White Supremacist, and I do not approve of White Supremacy.
To me, WS means something similar to what I mean when I say “Jewish Supremacy”; the tendency on the part of a group to prefer genocide of another people to a hangnail for a member of their own group. The Jewish Supremacist is fine with Jews having an ethno-state while being in the vanguard of denying ethnostates (or the very idea of them) for Whites. The White Supremacist is fine with enslaving blacks. It’s “No Limits” ethnopatriotism; other groups get no regard at all, or so little that all sense of propriety is gone.
@ Black Power White Power, dedicating himself to making liberals’ arguments for them: I think you’ve found the point the author was trying to make.
See what I mean? I read and respond sequentially, so I responded to you before I even read UA’s response.
But you have a point. Libtards are mental cripples and we can make their arguments better than they can.
I think one can make a case for the superiority of White rule by looking at the administration in Detroit. When it was a city of ~2 million, the mayor and council actually attended to their jobs. Now that it’s a pit of 700,000 Blacks, the state revenue-sharing funds go for things like a 12-man bodyguard and $40,000 SUV for the mayor and chauffer-driven city-provided cars for the council.
UNAMUSED..Care to coment..Yes he be black.
And you thought Octomom had her hands full—a Tennessee man who has fathered 30 children is asking the courts for a break on child support.
Desmond Hatchett, 33, of Knoxville has children with 11 different women, reports WREG-TV.
The state already takes half his paycheck and divides it up, which doesn’t amount to much when Hatchett is making only minimum wage. Some of the moms receive as little as $1.49 a month. The oldest child is 14 years old.
Hatchett explains how he reached such a critical mass: He had four kids in the same year. Twice.
Back in 2009 when Hatchett was in court to answer charges that many of the mothers were not receiving child support, he had 21 children. At the time, he said he was not going to father any more kids, but he ended up having nine more in the past three years
Whine, whine, whine. Don’t like being called racist? Then stop being racist. You know when you say, “My race is inherently superior to all other races?” That’s racism. That’s the textbook definition. You can’t spout this and then complain when the rest of the world calls a spade a spade. Tired of being ostracized? Then grow up.
[unamused: you know when you're either unable or unwilling to read something? like when you failed to read this post? and you know when you have no arguments to support your position? then shut the fuck up.
oh, and i see no evidence against the hypothesis that Whites as a whole are in fact inherently superior to other races]
ALB, actually I think you’d agree that the definition of racism is a belief that “My race is inherently superior in an important way to at least one other race.” That matches my idea of what a racist was when I was an anti-racism activist. Otherwise most of the people on this racist website wouldn’t be racists. People here generally agree that North East Asians are inherently (genetically) smarter, more law-abiding, and less aggressive. And that Jews are smarter, and possibly more egalitarian. (Although we don’t always agree whether or not those are good things to be).
Racism is a belief. So it’s impossible to stop being a racist, just like it’s impossible to stop believing that gravity makes things fall down, without evidence of it being false, and a solid explanation of how all the mountains of evidence suggesting it was true were actually wrong.
If you have evidence for complete inherent racial equality, and an explanation of how all the observations of racial inequality could be wrong, then present it and we will stop being racist and get all the benefits of social inclusion. We’ll be a bit embarassed at being wrong, but since our racism is mostly done anonymously, there’s little cost to changing sides.
“Tired of being ostracized? Then grow up.”
You do realise that grown up people are traditionally more racist than young people, don’t you? People become more racist as they get older and wiser. I used to be an antiracism activist, so I’m a lot more racist as a grown up than I was when I was young. Most people here didn’t used to be racists, but became racist as they grew up and learnt more and stopped being as naive. More knowledge and experience usually seems to equal more racism.
By the way, congratulations on using the politically incorrect phrase “calling a spade a spade” in a positive sense. There’s hope for you yet! I know you won’t believe this, but one day, you too will be a racist. I didn’t believe it when people told me when I was younger, but they were right.
90404, I don’t actually agree with charging men child support, unless they consented to having children.
He should have to pay for every time he said “Let’s have a child, I promise I’ll stay around and look after them” and then abandoned them. But he should not pay a cent for any child that was an accident or that he didn’t agree to look after.
Remember, complete power over reproduction only belongs to women. It’s women who determine whether a mouth to feed is created or not. Men are practically powerless over it.
It is probably worth pointing out that White European males, followed by White American Males of European descent, ended the slave trade and slavery in the areas they controlled. To further explode Liberal brains, it should be emphasized that the slave trade was often run by Muslims, (though I seem to recall that Romans had slaves, too), and often abetted by the slave’s own fellow black Africans.
While detonating Liberal brains is fun, I’m dubious of winning ground amongst those who cannot yet see, but who might one day see and speak out, with arguments using the phrase “White Supremacy”. The negative associations seem pretty deeply ingrained.
Also, it seems that the science (if not history) really argues for East Asian supremacy. Or – watch out! – Ashkenazi Jewish supremacy!
“was when I was an anti-racism activist. ”
Not that it matters, but somehow I’ve never understood this. I’m always reading at these sorts of sites, people who say ‘I used to be a liberal, I used to be an anti-racist, I used to be pro-black/anti-white/pro-whatever, until I changed my mind…’ and those sorts of things, and I never quite get it. Are there that many people raised in that high a level of abstraction and extremism and gibberish?
Personally, I had a practical upbringing and a fairly practical education, and as a result I was never either an “anti-racist” nor a “white supremacist”. I don’t have elaborate theories about these sorts of things, my view as a white person has generally been:
a) as a matter of practical observation, no matter the cause or explanation, it is a simple fact 9 times out of 10 that it is bad for me if there are a lot of non-white people around and only a few white people;
b) on the other hand, for some unknown reason it is good for me if there are a lot of white people around and not too many non-white people;
c) so B is somehow better than A for me personally, with no real need to examine why;
d) so I should support policies that are conducive to B and oppose policies that are conducice to A, and
e) I don’t need to explain my preferences to anybody,
f) especially when the default setting has generally been B but suddenly a bunch of foreign strangers show up and try to change it to A without giving me a good explanation of how A is better for me, when it quite obviously is not.
It may be that these energetic foreign strangers need to be energetically persuaded to go away and stop agitating for A. And it may be that curiously shaped bits of metal will be necessary to persuade them.
“it seems that the science (if not history) really argues for East Asian supremacy. Or – watch out! – Ashkenazi Jewish supremacy!”
Not the history. Definitely, definitely not the history.
And since the history is nothing but the physical record of the science, then the science goes out the window, too.
Stop believeing that Asians and Jews are your overlords because of their minor edge in a testing system created by non-Asians and non-Jews. It’s getting sort of silly.
Asians and Jews are our superiors? Then kindly point out the Asian and Jewish Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Mozart, Bach, Michelangelo, Euler, Gauss, Newton, tell me when to stop… and no, the occasional Einstein or two won’t negate my point, it actually proves it, sorry. Show me the Sephardic Einstein raised outside the West. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Show me all the white people lining up to study and play the works of Asian composers. Show me all the white immigrants to Fujian and Jaffa. Show me the Chinese Ellis Island. Where are the Asian and Jewish counterparts to Harvard Stanford Berkeley Yale Princeton Amherst, show me, I can’t wait to cynically game their systems in order to stuff my non-Asian and non-Jewish progeny into them while not contributing to the upkeep of their civilizations.
Just stop it already.
Stop believeing that Asians and Jews are your overlords because of their minor edge in a testing system created by non-Asians and non-Jews. It’s getting sort of silly.
That part was mostly a joke. Especially the Jews part – there are a lot of the stereotypically bad “white supremacists” who get very worked up over the Jews.
The history is pretty overwhelming, actually.
Supremacy is a pretty big word, though. That, and that sterotype (which is very much alive on stormfront, BTW), is why I think the phrase “White Supremacy” is a non-starter.
But then, I happen to be an American of Ashkenazi Jewish descent; I keep thinking that I am white because I identify with the White European and White American cultures, and I think multi-culturalism, Cultural Marxism and Social Liberalism are a crock.
The problem with Jews is that they can’t seem to form a society without paralyzing themselves with conflict; the culture that is developed and honed to deal with life as a high-achieving minority among Europeans does not seem to be able to tamp down its various minority-tuned tendencies to work peaceably as a majority with its own.
Rhetorical question: if Jews were restricted to living in a nation or nations of just Jews, would they or would they not get ahead of societies of non-Jewish Europeans? This experiment would take longer to run than any reading here are likely to live (even if we ran it), but it’s worthwhile to ponder.
“Are there that many people raised in that high a level of abstraction and extremism and gibberish?”
Not to my extent. Less than 0.1%. We just make a lot of noise. There’s a lot of passive people though who just accept the anti-racist ideas they are told to believe.
“Personally, I had a practical upbringing and a fairly practical education, and as a result I was never either an “anti-racist” nor a “white supremacist”.”
I suspect it’s because you are naturally more selfish than average, and genetically prone to conservatism, and raised in a white country more right-wing than most, with enough undesirable non-whites around. Half the white people can’t think like you do. They can’t make the jump from point c) to point d), and can’t think like point f) at all. And many people were fortunate to grow up with the only significant minorities being North East Asian (average IQ 106) or Vietnamese (average IQ 99.5), and had IQs higher than 106 themselves, so didn’t feel threatened by minorities, and never really felt point a) until they got older.
“there are a lot of the stereotypically bad “white supremacists” who get very worked up over the Jews.”
Au contraire, mon frere. There are a lot of jews who get very worked up over the whites. And that is a far more pressing concern in our present reality.
You know what, I had a lot of much more unpleasant things to say but I’ll refrain from them, out of regard for some people whom I hold in good esteem.
You have yourself a happy and enjoyable day.
Oscar, re “… when I was an anti-racism activist. ”
I find this encouraging. I also see a lot of these comments. I never see anybody saying “I used to be a racist, but then I saw the light”. It’s a one-way street. What has been seen, cannot be unseen.
However it is a fact that most people have to travel this road, because as children they are brainwashed to believe the opposite.
I’m South African. Last Christmas I visited my daughter in America. One day she told me that she was volunteering at her child’s school, and that they were going to do “the egg lesson”. She explained that they would take two hens’ eggs, one white and one brown, and break them, then show the kids that the eggs were eggsactly the same under the shell.
I was horrified. I said, “How can you tell them that? You’re lying to the kids. The eggs may look the same to a child’s naked eye, but genetically they’re very different. If you hatched those eggs, you’d get two different-looking birds. You might as well break a duck’s egg and a chicken’s egg and prove to them that a duck is the same as a chicken, only bigger.”
She just never thought of it that way. And that’s the problem. Apathy. Unthinking acceptance of what we are spoonfed. That’s why so many people have to make that journey to race realism. Praise be, they never go back.
Racist WW2 propaganda by Dr. Seuss (warning, anti-racism one at the end again):
http://www.who-sucks.com/people/dr-seuss-sucks-7-racist-cartoons-from-the-doctor
ESET gave me a Trojan alert on the second URL you posted!
Black Power White Power, Agreed!
My point is that the Democrat / welfare system makes inferiors propagate. the more they have, the mo they gets! Dis eugenics.
Superior people work, stay out of trouble, marry when reproducing.
This CREATURE fathered 8 in 2 years, and I assume is still single!
[why buy the cow when the milks free?].
AIT said: “there are a lot of the stereotypically bad “white supremacists” who get very worked up over the Jews.”
oscar the grinch said: Au contraire, mon frere. There are a lot of jews who get very worked up over the whites. And that is a far more pressing concern in our present reality.
Your statement does not negate mine. It does pain me that so many who share my ethnicity are moronically vicious Liberal MultiCulti asswipes. But there are even more white people in that camp. Progressivism in this country did not originate with the Frankfurt School. See Woodrow Wilson and the multiple abominations of 1913 for examples of that.
You know what, I had a lot of much more unpleasant things to say but I’ll refrain from them, out of regard for some people whom I hold in good esteem.
You have yourself a happy and enjoyable day.
You have a nice day too. Keep in mind that I agree with pretty much everything UA posts. Also a fan of SBPDL and OneSTDV.
“You have a nice day too.”
Excellent! Then we’ll both enjoy our respective days! :-)
“Keep in mind that I agree…”
Good to know, man. Seriously, sarcasm dialed to ‘off’. Sometimes it’s hard to remember that not everybody in the world is an asshole.
I have some quibbles with your notions of history as outlined above, but on a nice day like today, they don’t really matter.
Have a good one! Eat some pie! With ice cream, even!
“I need to laugh,
And when the sun is out,
I’ve got something
I can laugh about…”
“The history is pretty overwhelming, actually.”
Indeed it is — but in support of my position, not yours.
Actually, your remark about Woodrow Wilson/Frankfurt School/1913 etcetera is fertile ground for a quite interesting discussion. I won’t begin it today, because today’s marching orders for both of us are to enjoy ourselves and eat some pie! But it is worth discussing at some point in the future… not so much that I would be trying to wholly refute your position (only partly so), but because that landscape brings out interesting qualities worth noticing.
But that’s for later. For now: Sunshine and Pie!
Sometimes it’s hard to remember that not everybody in the world is an asshole.
Yeah I have that problem too.
“The history is pretty overwhelming, actually.”
Indeed it is — but in support of my position, not yours.
Yes, that’s actually what I meant. The history contradicts the test scores, and the history wins. Sorry to be unclear.
You can probably disregard the virus warning above, I got a similar message when I went to the weather channel’s site this morning. ESET probably tweaked their algorithms a bit too far.
I did this with “white privilege.”
“[remark about white privilege]”
“So, what’s so bad about that?”
“What?”
“Haven’t whites done more good for this place than every other race combined?”
“¿ʇɐɥʍ”
“Go to Mexico, complain about Hispanic privilege, and tell me how long it takes them to stop laughing.”
“WHAT?! ☭”
We earned our White Supremacy. It was not given to us, and we are now engaged in a life and death struggle to maintain our White Supremacy and our White countries which is one and the same. If we lose this struggle we die. Simple as that.