Guest Post: What Good Are White Men, Anyway?
May 1st, 2012 by Unamused
Frequent ‘Park contributor Doug1 knows. I’ve quite liberally edited/rewritten his work, so any factual or grammatical errors are mine, and I would appreciate readers pointing them out so I can fix them. According to the author, you are free to reprint this with attribution.
Unamused:
Since you don’t like to talk up White accomplishments, allow me.
White people — White men, in fact — created the modern world, from soup to nuts. The Japanese did some tweaking, but that’s the best any other race has managed to do.
In 1450, a White man invented the first mass-production printing press, which unlike the Chinese attempts (not capable of mass production) had an immediate transformative effect: the mass circulation of affordable books, pamphlets, and journals right across Western and Central Europe. White men created science as we know it: as a unified, systematic study of nature — a staggering accomplishment made possible by Gutenberg’s printing press. For use in their scientific investigations, White men developed advanced mathematics, not to mention the first precision timepieces.
White men carried out the industrial revolution, a turning point in history that led to unprecedented improvements in the living standards of the masses of ordinary people — the so-called “99 percent.” White men invented the steam engine and used it to develop industrial mass production and the first locomotive. They invented the diesel engine and used it to develop the diesel locomotive and passenger and freight ships made of steel. They invented the internal combustion engine and used it to develop the automobile.
White men were the first to drill for petroleum and refine it into fuel — gasoline and kerosene and diesel and jet fuel — not to mention all its other uses, like plastics and asphalt (used any today?) and the fertilizers and pesticides that modern agriculture depends on.
White men invented the telegraph and created the first high speed, long range communications systems, spanning continents and soon the globe. They invented the telephone, wireless radio, and television. They invented photography and motion pictures; record players and video cameras. They invented electric generators, electric motors, and electric lights, based on a theory of electricity due entirely to White men.
White men invented the airplane and the jet airplane. They created rockets and used them to launch satellites into Earth’s orbit. Those satellites gave us instantaneous global communication, global weather and climate monitoring, unprecedented surveying ability, and a Global Positioning System free for every man and woman of every race and nation to use — with a receiver invented by White men, of course.
White men have traveled hundreds of thousands of miles through space to the Moon, and back safely to Earth, in rockets invented by White men, using guidance and communications systems designed and built by White men, based on science and mathematics created by White men. They have explored the other planets of our solar system and discovered the origins of our world and our universe, using telescopes and spacecraft they designed and built, and they have freely shared that knowledge with all mankind.
White men invented the transistor, the computer, and the Internet. They invented solar power, wind power, and nuclear power. They developed scientific medicine — the only kind that works — and discovered virtually every effective treatment, vaccination, and cure, from penicillin to radiation therapy. They created modern mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy, anthropology, and archaeology.
In fact, it is difficult to think of anything of great significance in the modern world that wasn’t created by White men. (For the record, and not to bash any other race, nearly all the supposed Black inventions are myths, like gas masks, traffic lights, blood banks, and peanut butter.)
The most beautiful art, the most sublime music, was created by White men, from ancient Greece to the Middle Ages to the Renaissance and beyond. (No, rap music doesn’t count.)
White men invented democracy and created the first democratic republics. They didn’t invent slavery, obviously, but they were the first to abolish it. They were also the first to ban torture as a form of criminal punishment. With the founding of the United Nations, White men led the world to the first-ever international agreement prohibiting aggressive war, a prohibition enforced by White men. White men developed the entire concept of human rights, and have always led the world in safeguarding those rights.
As I think I mentioned, White men gave us the scientific revolution, then the industrial revolution, which rivals the agricultural revolution in its transformational power. For the first time in history, humanity can escape Malthusian misery and mass death, and the populations of entire countries can live safe, comfortable lives, thanks to the work of White men.
I could go on.
Maybe the world should designate one day out of the year to give thanks to White men and all the wonderful things they have done for the benefit of all humanity.
Yeah, like that would ever happen!
And check out this comment by Panther II.
Happy May Day Comrade Unamused! May equality of results always be achieved in your glorious people’s collective. May we crush the evil white capitalist oppressors and replace them with a glorious future where selfish interests are put aside for the good of comrades.
Everyone has heard of how indians (feathers not dots) back in the day wouldn’t allow any part of a buffalo to go to waste, right?
White men were the first to drill for petroleum and refine it into fuel — gasoline and kerosene and diesel and jet fuel — not to mention all its other uses, like plastics and asphalt (used any today?) and the fertilizers and pesticides that modern agriculture depends on.
What the white man does with a barrel of oil makes the old indians look like wasteful sons of bitches who don’t give a fig about the environment. Whitey takes that 42 gallons of toxic sludge and finds damn good uses for every bit of it.
And I mean nothing goes to waste….
…in a lot of the refining processes the heat generated in various chemical reactions is turned into steam which is used to turn turbines to create electricty which powers subsequent refining processes…
I suppose the indian equivalent of this would have been not only picking up the buffalo chips left behind by the herd, but also capturing the buffalo methane emissions for subsequent energy needs.
… also, you oughta see what white boys can do with a tree when they run it through a sawmill these days. They first create an MRI type image of the tree and then they use that image to layout to develop a cutting plan which is optimized according to market demand…this takes about two-to-five minutes for a full sized log. The leftover parts of this process are turned into all sorts of processed goods (eg, the desk you’re sitting at right now). You couldn’t make half a toothpick with what gets left behind.
And yet some incredibly evil people wish to literally abolish the white man.
White men clearly have been the most inventive people to ever exist. On the other hand, we are told that East Asians have a higher IQ. Therefore, shouldn’t East Asians be more responsible for the creation of the modern world? Why has it been the white man?
Any thoughts?
Doug1 has done a great job, here. I have just a few comments:
Great summary, but while you’re at it, the arts and music are extremely significant. White men invented “art” music, or classical music. Orientals, with their high IQ’s, really appreciate classical music and are some of the world’s best musicians, but they never developed anything like it. There’s no Asian Bach, Beethoven or Mozart.
White men are also responsible for the world’s greatest, most transcendent art – paintings, sculpture, etc. Chinese arts through the ages are impressive, but pale in comparison to western art. There’s no Asian Michelangelo or Leonardo.
When I was in China I learned some interesting things. No one should look down on their civilizational achievements. Their civilization was very advanced at an early age, and they extended it all over Asia – to Japan, Korea, Thailand, etc. But as a woman I was very struck by how badly women were treated throughout Chinese history. One anecdote: The emperor Qin Shihuang constructed thousands of terra cotta warriors which were buried with him in his tomb. This was an innovation – up until that time emperors killed lots of living warriors to have with them in their afterlives. So emperor Qin was to be commended, right? Unfortunately, he didn’t extend the same privilege to his concubines. He killed hundreds of them and had them buried with him! In every dynasty we studied women were nearly always no better than slaves. The concept of women’s rights is another thing white males are responsible for.
A personal meeting with the enemy
Nope, not a black. A liberal White, at work. I forwarded her an email about how the Obama administration is going to exclude Whites from the economic stimulus jobs (www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6vFa4). Her husband is in construction, and she will be quitting work as she is pregnant now, and relying on him to support her the baby, so even though I know she voted for BO, I thought she might be sympathetic. I asked her what she thought, and if she would forward the email, which was calling for action to prevent racial discrimination in the federal stimulus.
First, she said she does not forward political emails. She says she waits to hear it in the news. I said, doesn’t she appreciate friends and family letting them know important things from the news that she might not hear?
She said, no, she didn’t trust emails, she needed FACTS. I said, the link to televised testimony on the Senate floor is right there in the email, so she could see the facts for herself. She flat refused, saying she “didn’t want to think about politics today. ” I asked if she was going to forward it to her husband, and she said no, she didn’t forward political emails.
I asked, gently, if it bothered her that Obama plans to discriminate against her husband. She said she doubted it would happen to her husband since his job is secure, and she only based her opinion of facts, not emails, and told me I should do some research before spreading an email.
Needless to say, by this time, I was just flabbergasted. I assured her, I had done my research, these were facts, and she could verify them for herself if she just clicked the link. Then, in my best emotional-liberal imitation, I told her how scary it was that if me or her husband lost our jobs, we would be discriminated against by our own government in a time of economic depression, and we wouldn’t be able to support our wives and children because of Obama’s discriminatory policy.
Willful ignorance. Naive trust in the news media. Flat out refusal to face reality, projecting her ignorance on to me. Classic cognitive dissonance. This is the battle we face. Honestly, I have no clue what it would take to get through to her.
-Found on the web, I lost the link
Jane–
Yeah I actually included a lot of the stuff you mention on at least one of the versions of that rant I posted on a few alt.right blogs – and one black one, heh. I’m not sure it was in the version I put up in unamused’s comments several months ago and he edited it out, or not.
Good essay. Since you asked for corrections…
1. “planets of solar system” you’re missing a “the”
2. Tread more carefully when you talk about mathematics. More than any other field, math is the work of several civilizations; in the ancient world, Babylonian and Hindu mathematics were superior to the West, and China achieved important things ahead of us. In medieval times, the Arabs and the Persians were our betters by far. You’re on safer ground talking about “modern” mathematics, but even here, a substantial amount of important “modern” achievement is the work of jews, not whites.
Otherwise, great job.
Of course one could argue that Persians and Hindus are whites (taxonomically they are) but I don’t think that’s right, we’re talking about the west. Strictly speaking both arabs and jews are also “white” but I exclude them, preferring a cultural and non-scientific classification, since both groups define their interests in distinctly hostile opposition to the white west.
Also, in the medieval era, many crucial technological innovations came from China — paper, for instance. Consider its importance. The Islamic world back then also contributed much important base technology, so you have to qualify your claims a bit. Also, take out “vaccinations”: they were first used by the Turks, against smallpox.
You’re on safer footing after about the 15th century, at which point pretty much everything of excellence is the work of whites.
Oscar–
I consider Ashkenazi Jews to be whites. I’m not a white nationalist; I am a race realist. They’ve lived in Europe a long time, and when they first moved up into central and northern Europe intermarried with European women a good lot, mtDNA analysis has shown. They’ve also done so over the last 70 years esp. in America.
As for other civilizations being ahead of Europe in ancient times and in the middle ages that’s true. This post was only about the modern world which I dated as beginning in 1450 with Gutenberg’s invention of the first mass production printing press.
Persians and Arabs are caucasians, a superset to which whites also belong, but white has for some time been used to mean of European origin in America – and also Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa and other places.
According to GNXP, S. Asian Hindus are likely a mixture of earlier beach combing out of Africans who emerged in an early wave from East Africa and followed an Indian ocean route to SE Asia and eventually Australia, changing along the way, and later arriving Caucasians from the western steppe above the Caspian and Aural seas, and in other waves from Persia and Afghanistan. More Caucasian mixture in the north and in higher castes, less in the south and in lower castes.
I don’t see anything I need to change in that regard, oscar.
I don’t know what anyone else means by “White people,” but as far as I’m concerned we’re either talking about the peoples of the nations of Europe and Western civilization generally, or a genetically defined population, which has to include some of the Middle East too. Use “Caucasian” for the latter if you like. Basically: what Doug1 said.
Either way, there are going to be some Jews. (Or should that be “Jews”?) Anyone whose definition of “White” specifically excludes Jews (e.g., Stormfront) is trying to turn race into a social construct to serve an agenda. They’re not race realists.
White men invented democracy
Yeah, but I support them anyway.
One other thing, Doug1. I can agree that all of the achievements of white males that you listed resulted in the betterment of mankind. However, not this:
“With the founding of the United Nations, White men led the world to the first-ever international agreement prohibiting aggressive war, a prohibition enforced by White men. White men developed the entire concept of human rights, and have always led the world in safeguarding those rights.”
I don’t think any of the non-aggression pacts have ever prevented war, and I think that the last hundred or so years’ pre-occupation with the League of Nations, UN, “human rights”, etc. has been western man’s achilles’ heel. If you want to talk about the Magna Carta, english common law, development of a constitution recognizing and establishing the rule of law, due process, etc. I can agree with you, but not this.
Most of the scientific claims and inventions erroneously given to Islam were in fact inventions or discoveries by non-Muslims who were either conquered soon after or suppressed while the free Muslims then usurped their discoveries. Most of the Muslim claims to mathematics and philosophy were earlier Greek works and even the few Muslim scientists and artist around during the early Crusades were chronicled as lamenting the fall of Jerusalem to Saladin because of the restrictions Islam would now enforce on them once the Christians were gone.
But all these civilization building discoveries aside when it comes down to it no race has ever invented as many ways to defend themselves or suppress tyrants like White men either. We are slow to be provoked, and slow to build a true team when needed, preferring to give all peaceful means a good try, but when finally pushed to our limits entire Continents tremble at our anger and strength.
The day will come when White men as a whole will once again stand together. It just takes alot of antagonism to get us there.
Much of the claims of Islamic progress and Western barbarism in the 476 – 1453 era are the result of focusing on intellectual accomplishments at the palace and its environs.
At the level of peasant, townsman, or country gentleman the West I think was a better place to live, materially and politically, than the lands conquered by the crescent moon.
Because in theory the purpose of the dhimmi was to support the ummah, individual Arabs in conquered lands adopted the attitude that each Christian or Jew was responsible for supporting any individual Moslem. Arab tribes with their sheep, goats and camels drifted into all the conquered lands of Syria, Egypt and the Maghreb. The non-Moslem natives soon found that the newcomers would blithely pasture their flocks in others’ meadows, grain fields, vineyards and orchards. Pretty soon fencing, crop rotation, selective breeding, even the ownership of carts and wagons all disappeared. Instead of the many wheeled vehicles shown in the mosaics of Roman villas in North Africa, under Islam there were only camels, donkeys and other pack animals. Wheels were only for irrigation or throwing pottery.
In the West slavery disappeared around the end of the eleventh century. In England’s Domesday book(1086), we learn of the number of “ploughs” (measure of land? team of eight oxen? the actual heavy wheeled implement with steel-faced coulter and mouldboard?) and at each manor we learn the number off slaves. Except for landholders, few individuals are counted or named in Domesday Book, but at each hamlet or manor we hear there are a dozen or two of slaves,But after 1100 they never reappea, ,except in the 15th century in Portugal, where blacks were brought back from new voyages. But within a generation of Domesday Book we hear no more of slaves in any charters, wills, bequests, law codes in western Europe. BY 1400 serfdom, too has almost gone from England and is well on its way to dying out in the more economically advanced areas of Europe. In Roman times there were few water mills, and no windmills. Domesday lists mills on streams, windmills, even three tidal-powered mills. Whereas the Islamic world seized slaves each year through jihad, in Christendom the Church had somehow persuaded all ecclesiastical and lay lords by 1100 to free the few slaves still found in these lands. New technologies replaced human muscle power. Heavy, wheeled ploughs allowed the exploitation of heavy valley soils not much used under the Romans. In the Muslim world the peasant often worked with a plough formed from the branch and trunk of a small tree, pulled by, perhaps, a cow and a donkey. In the West, during the Dark and High Middle Ages, up till shortly before the Black Death of 1347, the general population trend was upward. In the lands conquered by Islam there was a migration of Arab tribes from Arabia to the Maghreb, Egypt and Syria. The native who found the Arab’s sheep grazing his meadows, the goats destroying his vines or orchard, had no recourse under Moslem sharia law. Soon even carts and wagons disappeared from North Africa.
Under the Romans or Islam, with a continual inflow of fresh slaves from conquest or raid, there was little impetus for labour-saving: most mills were powered by animals or (occasionally) slaves. But in the medieval west a different attitude prevails. In 1086 the English Domesday Book lists many water mills, some windmills, even three mills powered by the tides. Soon, western cloth-makers were using watermills and camshafts to run fulling mills, and smiths were using the same camshaft device to run trip hammers to pound blooms of ore. Because the Arab control of the Mediterranean cut off the trade in paper from Egypt, home of the papyrus plant, western men made do for half as millenium with parchment and vellum, but then developed the Chinese idea of linen-rag paper and invented a whole new industry. The appearance of cheap paper again after a thousand years made life immeasurably better for the young artists or writer, who must incessantly practise his craftas well as for teachers, shopkeepers, merchants, navigators – almost everyone, in fact.
Every English charter, granting a mill, say to an abbey, would stipulate that unforeseen problems are to be dealt with “cum consuetudine loci” – according to local tradition, which trumped the lord’s wishes. In ancient Pompeii and Herculaneum we can still see on exterior walls painted election slogans (“Alll honest men are voting for so and so”). In the West each city and borough in the Middle Ages had a charter from king, lord or abbot, confirming the rights and privileges of the (usually elected) corporation that ruled the town. In Moslem lands all are the slaves of Allah, and the city has no such standing in law . In the Rhineland or South Germany a free imperial city owed allegiance only to the kaisar (Caesar) at the top of the political pyramid.
Basically, the West that emerged in the Dark Ages was many three-class societies. In the world of Islam, despite the supposed equality of all Moslems, it was a technologically stagnating two caste society. For most of the population it was a much poorer, drabber life than was lived by their ancestors under Rome’s aegis or by the common people who enjoyed the richer material and cultural life of the developing West.
Also, you forgot about the fine art of dessert. There are many wonderful cuisines around the world, but none to my knowledge has the astounding range and finesse of desserts as white cuisines do. For instance I like Asian cooking just fine, but their desserts are a train-wreck. Most cuisines have a handful of decent desserts, white cuisines have got hundreds, maybe thousands.
For the first time in history, humanity can escape Malthusian misery and mass death…
Temporarily. Malthus will be vindicated. We’re living on capital (oil) for now. When it runs out, the die-off will be epic.
The freedoms we enjoy were earned by White Christian men with rifles.
The accomplishment of the White male is of mythological dimensions. He will be sorely missed.
“White men were the first to drill for petroleum and refine it into fuel”
Yes. That is unfortunately the elephant in the room. For all our wondrous god-like achievements, white men have doomed us all. If there were no white people, our world would continue on for millenia more. But because of white people’s intelligence, naivety, non-conformity, and drive for progress, we will be lucky to avoid an apocalypse within the next few decades.
Having the power of gods has a price, and that price is having to be very careful how we wield our tremendous power, lest we destroy the world.
Of course, other races have also started destroying the world now that we have given them the power and the example to do so. And when white people do finally wake up and realise the need for urgent action, we will have to fight all the other races to be able to implement it. Other races will not go along with our environmental crusade easily. And other races wouldn’t even have noticed the problem in the first place. So they are not innocent.
But we are still guilty of one thing, and unfortunately, it’s worse than all the others we have been accused of. It’s not something that forced diversity or white-genocide will fix though, since white people are our only hope for salvation.
Excellent post. Everybody should save it and use it as ammo against the “anti-racists”.
For the details:
http://www.whitehistorytoday.com/
[U: great stuff]
Excellent thread (I was directed over here from heartiste, which by the way Roissy’s conflation of PUA artistry and WN debating is about the most intellectually succulent thing on the internet, IMHO).
Some things that whites invented that are left out of Doug’s list, however: the measuring of time, weights and distances as we know them.
The very notion of keeping time and dividing it up into years, months, weeks, days, hours minutes and seconds is a white thing that the rest of the world confirms to. That’s a big generalization I know, but you get the picture.
More importantly, I think when it comes to enumerating white accomplishment, is the current demographic situation of the world today.
In other words: it is whites and only whites who are responsible for the current demographic situation on earth today. (tautological I know; I learned that word on this big brain blog today ;-) ).
The continent of Africa rolled over the one billion mark [...] in 2010. One billion. What percentage of this population growth would you say is the result (fault?) of white western food aid intervention?
Answer: the vast majority of it.
It is obviously thanks to white innovation that the world surges at 7 billion hominids today.
Conversely, it is a direct result of white morality and competitive compassion (altruism) that non-whites are the primary beneficiaries of these characteristics, which are unique to whites. (You don’t see the Chinese spending billions on WWF projects in Africa, do you?).
So, white technology + white morality standards are directly responsible, in a suicidal (for the latter trait) kind of way, for pushing up the numbers of non-whites worldwide (africa in particular), since 1950, when the world was 33% European. Today euros represent less than eight percent of world population.
Talk about the mother of all conspiracies? Yes and no. The Hebrews (14 million of them globally, versus fourteen THOUSAND million arch-enemy Muslims) definitely since the late-1800s have had a lot to do with pushing suicidal ethno-masochistic policies in the West, but a lot of our decline can be attributed to morality traits that are hard-wired into the white brain.
I rant less better than most on this blog (like competitive compassion, self-derision seems to be a white thing, too), but I hope you see what I’m saying.
Cordialement,
- Arturo
crimesofthetimes.com
Measuring time is a white thing only? Are you like stoned?
Kooky claims like this are unhelpful, it makes it seem like pro-white arguments are merely zany.
oscar, we who do not hate White people certainly aren’t perfect, but we should get the benefit of the doubt. What Arturo wrote is not kooky.
His point, I believe, is that the entire world uses Western civilization’s — White civilization’s — units and systems of measurement. We, not the Chinese, decided where the time zones go. (Greenwich, right?) We, not the Aztecs, decided what the days of the week will be. (It doesn’t even matter who originally named them.) We, not the Africans, decided how to measure exposure to ionizing radiation. (trollolol)
It’s like how English is the most widely used language. Although Mandarin Chinese and Spanish are both spoken by more people as a first language, English (in 3rd place) is also the most popular second language (Gratuitous Wikipedia reference). It has become the de facto language of international commerce and politics; this was discussed in the notorious multiculturalism panel at CPAC 2012.
Let’s keep shooting fish in barrel. White men named the continents. A negro had no idea he lived in Africa until he was told so by Whites. I recall one time referring to Anatolia as “Asia Minor” and some stupid highschool teacher cried “that term is obsolete!” Obsolete to whom? Turks?
Oscar,
Your comment on Asian desserts made me crack up. I once took a 19 hour flight on China Air and the stewardesses with the food carts brought the coach passengers some kind foil-covered tray with various things on it-I remember pretty good chicken, some run-of-the-mill rice, and a weird square of light green cake with brilliant day-glo green frosting. I ate it, but don’t recall what it tasted like.
Another Asian dessert tale came from a business trip to the Philippines. While my co-workers were in negotiations over some call center or other, I was left in the hands of our guides. These were two sisters in their 20s that insisted the Dutchman (who was dying from heat exhaustion) visit various places. We eventually had lunch and due to my red face the sisters had me buy us something called Halo-Halo. This was some kind of concoction of crushed ice, milk, icecream, cornflakes(?), and little gelatin fruit squares! Talk about a train wreck…
AnalogMan: We’re living on capital (oil) for now. When it runs out, the die-off will be epic.
There are other sources of energy; the USA has more energy in the uranium it’s already mined than in all its oil and gas in the ground. There are also better ways to turn solar energy into fixed carbon than green plants. They’re expensive at the moment, but given the fundamentals they will not remain that way.
Our major problem is getting pilot-scale and larger demonstrations past the political power of the oil and coal industries. They’ve managed to kill most innovation by killing the government labs and regulating the private efforts out of existence. That needs to change.
Robert in Arabia…Stupid is as stupid does.
Oscar, having been to India there are lighter, brown skins and Black [non African]. Plus with British invasions there are some who are part Euro in their DNA.
Jane, sounds like you dont know much about Present Day Korea and China where poor females are 3rd class citizens.
A friends Korean wife was ‘found abandoned as an Infant in a box’.
[This in a country with the lowest? birthrate on earth or close to it].
China, US /UN $ continues to kill Infants and the pre born.
Google ‘the dying rooms’.
Thats tax $ at work.
‘With the founding of the United Nations, White men led ‘..No, were misled into a mess.
Google: Alger Hiss, Traitor and check Bircher Info on WHY UN was formed.
Actually, I had this dream the other night (no kidding).
I was debating Spike Lee on TV, who was sneering and after talking about how uncool White people are, how much more vibrant and hip black folks are, what good are they for?
The audience claps.
I take my right hand, point at everything around the room, making a 360 circle – the cameras, the ceiling, the floor, the teleprompter, the clothes, the lights, etc etc.
“Everything around you was invented by White people. Do you want me to go outside, and point out the airplanes, the cars, the roads, the shops and bicycles, and do the same thing I did here – outside?”.
The audience, all white, get up and start to stomp me.
Believe me, I am very fun at parties, please invite me.
“Most of the scientific claims and inventions erroneously given to Islam were in fact inventions or discoveries by non-Muslims who were either conquered soon after or suppressed while the free Muslims then usurped their discoveries.”
Actually, the claim to fame by the moslem caliphate and whatnot is that they PRESERVED the GREEK traditions and research.
While Europe went into the dark ages with thugs (called “knights”) and Somali like warlords (called “barons” back then) running the show with no police, the moslems held onto the ancient Greek writings and essays.
Credit where credit is due, without that civilization would have been retarded significantly – perhaps by a few centuries, even.
Unamused, yeah, I get your point about time measurements, if you want to emphasize the subtleties. But since these sorts of arguments are really a species of propaganda (not in a bad way, propaganda can be necessary and even good, provided your side is good), I think they are read broadly, and are accepted and/or dismissed as such. So if someone makes a claim that SOUNDS goofy on the first approach, even if it can be defended upon close reading, it doesn’t help the cause, to my mind and ear.
As to your other point, I don’t believe raw power equals innate superiority, and I believe white culture has demonstrated innate superiority in many (not all) dimensions, even when we were wanting in raw power. In the present era we have til now been fortunate to have both, but what will happen when the raw power slips away, as it appears to be doing?
The world uses our standards largely because we conquered it. (There are some technical areas where our standards are objectively superior.)
When whites are out-bred by Muslims and become a hated minority in their own homeland, then Europe will adopt the Islamic calendar, but it will not make Islam superior. When the Chinese conquer Australia and re-name it (in Chinese) “New Southern Uranium Mine and Brothel Area” it will be evidence of Chinese numbers and muscle, not their superiority, except in a crude Darwinian sort of way (and is there really any other sort of way?).
Oh, one other sublime white invention you forgot to list, that monument to human enjoyment that is the envy of all other peoples: the steak house.
Think of it. First you have to be able to raise enough beef to be able to serve steak to begin with (and not simply “vegetable matter mixed with shreds of stringy meat, largely for flavoring” which is the staple in much of the non-white world), then you have to have that wonderful combination of elegance and refinement laced with pure machismo: the starched white tablecloths, the ancient waiters in stiff jackets, the fine wines, the elegant china and silverware, the seafood and salad appetizers… all followed by a great sizzling mountain of red, red meat. And hopefully, cigars. (The latter of course being a Native American creation, but c’mon, look how much better we made ‘em.)
English is also the international language of science and engineering. You basically can’t be a top scientist or an advanced engineer without being able to read scientific or engineering journals and studies published in English.
The only thing I would quibble with a little is that white men did not really invent wind, solar or nuclear power but ways to harness those powers which exist in nature whether man is using them or not. On a personal note, most white men do not care that I have an unimpressive backside since I have a nice rack and that is something that has made my life a lot better so huzzah to my brothers.
#28 Mr Rational: “There are other sources of energy”.
It’s not just a question of energy, but even if it were, there really aren’t other practical sources. You can’t fly a plane with nuclear energy, for example. But I was speaking specifically of food production and carrying capacity.
Modern agriculture has been defined as “the use of land to convert oil into food”. It’s much more than fuel for machinery. It’s fertilizers, pesticides, hydroponics, feedstocks, drugs, not to mention incidentals like packaging.
I’d be interested in those better ways to turn solar energy into fixed carbon than green plants. I’ve never heard of such a thing. Does this involve things like vegetable plankton or yeasts or some such revolting thing? I don’t think that will catch on.
AnalogMan: There’s a 3-yr-old discovery that archaebacteria can take CO2 and electricity and make methane at 80% efficiency. More recently, there was an announcement out of UCLA that researchers had made higher alcohols using nothing but CO2 and electricity to make formate ion to feed to bacteria (efficiency not stated).
Solar cells can exceed 30% efficiency, so it’s technically possible to turn sunlight and CO2 into methane at 24%, and maybe into other things at similar efficiency. That beats the crap out of your typical cornfield at maybe 2%.
The Department of Defense was trying to make a nuclear-powered bomber in the 1950′s. When ICBM guidance got good enough it made the project irrelevant… so long as oil was cheap.
A few comments based on my professional background, life experience, reading and a handful of previous posts. Unfortunately, I cannot remember where I read one of the thoughts I will pass on, so I can’t give attribution.
I am a chemical engineer by profession. I work for one of the larger independent engineering and construction contractors on the Gulf Coast. My background is mathematical modeling and process development. I work on a process design team that is responsible for designing projects totaling more than $1 billion over the last six and a half years. In a down economy.
My team is interdisciplinary, with chemical, mechanical, electrical and civil engineers directing the work of a large number of piping, electrical and structural designers. My portion of it, Process Engineering, is responsible for defining the overall project scope, equipment requirements and control needs. There have typically always been about 6-8 of us. For the first three years or so, all were white males. Three years ago we swapped out and added on very talented Hispanic male, one white female and one Asian female. A year later, all three of them moved on to other projects and we picked up two additional white male replacements. Within the last six months, we have added another Asian female and a white female to the mix. The core direction of the team has remained white male.
The mechanical engineering team has two white females. The balance are male. The civil engineering team has a white male lead and two white females. The electrical engineering team has a white female lead, two white males, one Hispanic male and one Hispanic female. Project management, scheduling and project controls are all white, with the exception of one Indian male (dot rather than feathers). The design team has less than half a dozen minorities of all types and a half a dozen or so females.
When you move out to the field where the construction takes place, the percentages skew drastically. I would guess that the projects I am currently supporting and designing probably have half or less whites, with 3/4 of the balance being Hispanic and the remainder black. The percentage of females of all races is far less than what we’ve got in the office, including secretarial staff. Why?
Irrespective of what Moron.org (MoveOn) and the occupy movement might claim, the 99% don’t count for crap. The people out in the field might actually “build” the units we design, but I and my colleagues are the ones who “create” them. You can easily replace hands that turn wrenches or run welders. Not that they aren’t talented in their own right or necessary in society. It’s just that it’s far harder to replace the minds who push the envelope and answer the what-if questions. The 99% doesn’t win the war. It’s the 1% that figures out how to win it. I like to go out in the plants that I’ve designed while construction is ongoing and look around. Walking up to the equipment I’ve designed, I develop a bond with it. I know that it’s going to do and there’s a spiritual, creative connection with it. The 99% never feel that and never will because I think that many of them are incapable of understanding it. Most of them see problems throughout the day that have to be resolved that are headaches, nothing more. I see an enemy that must be defeated and my brain never shuts down until I have found a path around or through something that is blocking my progress. My wife has told me that I have had conversations with myself in my sleep on more than one occasion as my mind is still trying to solve a problem that won’t come easily. It’s probably no coincidence that my father was born and raised in Liverpool, England.
Others have posted regarding the White, European connection, but I think have missed one critical point. Prior to the introduction of Judaism and the refinement by Christianity, mankind had minimal interest in the world around him. The Gods were capricious and could do whatever they wanted. Therefore, there was minimal interest in figuring out how to do things beyond what was necessary for your immediate survival. The Judeo-Christian ethic introduced a God who was bound by laws. Granted, some of them are far beyond our understanding, but the idea of a God who had to obey the rules opened up scientific inquiry and progress. Once you know God will not change the rules on you, you have an incentive to understand the rules in order to make your life better. It’s one of the fatal flaws of Islam. In Islam, Allah is not bound, so he can change the rules anytime he wants. The God of the Old and New Testament will not suddenly change the laws of gravity or motion, so it’s in your interest to understand them to the best of your ability.
It’s not just that the ideas and objects mentioned were discovered or created by White Europeans that matters. It’s that they were discovered or created by White European Christians. My own experience living in Europe and Asia, coupled with travel around the world has led me to the inescapable conclusion that, up to a logical limit, the further north and west you go in Europe, the greater the concentration of innovation and discovery. I consider the U.S. as an outgrowth of this shift. It is also my experience that the more fully a country went through the pain and tribulation of Reformation, the more they developed the outlook necessary for creativity.
The Germans we lived among ten years ago tended to be anything but curious. We once told our neighbors that we were going to do something on some weekend. I don’t remember what it was and it really doesn’t matter. We were told that it was forbidden. We asked why. No one knew. It was just forbidden. No attempt to understand.
Further north and west, I spent a lot of time working with Dutch and Belgians. Very open to new ideas and willing to try just about anything. Many of them knew three or four languages. I don’t think it coincidental that the Pilgrims sought refuge there. My year spent living in England convinced me that the English are in second place as the most adaptable people in the world after Americans and are tied with Aussies and New Zealanders and just ahead of Canadians. Having a stiff upper lip does wonders for one’s ability to confront the world and defeat it. Whining about it as most of the world today is wont to do does little more than put you into a state of permanent lethargy.
I have also found in many parts of the world, that curiosity is something that seems to be crushed on an almost global scale. Except in Europe. Saudi Arabians have no curiosity whatsoever. Most Middle Easterners are not far behind. I once overheard a story told by a colleague about a Kuwaiti man with a pregnant daughter who was smuggled to the U.S. for a rare procedure to cure her condition. The man wasn’t surprised at all that the procedure was to be done in a maternity ward and never questioned. When I mentioned that I wasn’t surprised based on my interactions with people from that part of the world, he was offended because his wife was Kuwaiti. Not being at all curious and not wanting to push the envelope will never result in a people making the world a better place. Again, the people who have been willing to push back the darkness, fight and die have predominately been Jewish or White Europeans.
Another thing that is also critical is the “man against the horde.” At key points in history, there have been circumstances where one man confronting the “wisdom” of thousands has pressed his point home, proven the masses wrong and changed the world (As an aside, Barack Obama is not the one). In the last couple thousand years, you’ve got the Greek philosophers, Christ himself, Copernicus, Columbus, Pasteur, the Founding Fathers, Einstein, etc. What do they have in common (other than the Greeks and Christ)? They are predominately White, European Males; with a handful of White European Females and a small handful of other ethnicities thrown in.
What the “99%” don’t understand is that the world is never changed for the better by the 99%. Just look at the French Revolution. Give the construction hands in the field the tools I have at my disposal and they will never come close to creating what we do on a daily basis. The only time things change for the better is when the European Judeo-Christian ethic leads and when the 1% are in the forefront. I can’t count the number of countries I’ve lived or traveled in, but I can tell you that the only places I ever felt comfortable were ones that were either in northwestern Europe, or had strong northwestern Europe colonial or cultural backgrounds.
England and the Netherlands in particular have a history of former colonies around the world that are reasonably functioning democracies and societies. When countries such as Zimbabwe or South Africa turn away from the underpinnings provided them by White Europeans, they turn into basket cases. If you look at the countries that have high long-term prosperity and stability you come up with the U.S. Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, South Korea, Japan, and to a lesser extend India, the smaller countries in Europe with the rest of the world far behind. The current economic powerhouse of China appears to have the seeds of its own destruction built into its foundation. The inescapable conclusion is that exposure and adherence to the ideas that flow out of the Judeo-Christian ethic as manifested in predominately northwest Europe are the single most important factor in determining whether a country will rise or fall. I think it not surprising that the U.S. is corkscrewing into the ground at exactly the same rate that we turn our backs on our God and our Heritage.
Interesting words:
Unfortunately, a lot of Christians do not have anything close to that ethic. They represent the same sort of hidebound adherence to dogma as Islam, and have achieved similar results when they acquired authority.
Unamused–
Actually I think I should have been stricter when you requested to reprint an edited version of my rant on your blog as a post in chief.
I said ok to light editing as in typo, grammar and light editing. I think you did at least medium editing. You left out a bunch of stuff. I had a lot more qualifications than your edited piece does. I dated Gutenberg’s first mass production production printing press at 1450 which is an important starting point for the modern age i was talking about whereas you left that out for some inexplicable to me reason.
You also implied that the Chinese tried and maybe succeeded at creating the first mass production printing press but somehow it didn’t take off there, whereas they never tried for or achieved a mass production printing press. That’s actually a key core difference between more or less equally smart NE Asian and Euro cultures. Or it’s and expression of that difference.
I gave you permission to light edit. You medium edited.
I’ll concede that you’re a better writer than I am, and far more careful in what you put out there in amateur blogs, but you missed a lot of meaning.
I’m flattered that you wanted to
Mr Rational: That’s interesting reading, but hardly useful. That nuclear aircraft never came close to flying, and the shielding problem is not something that you can overcome with clever engineering or miniaturization. Be that as it may, the issue was Malthus and carrying capacity.
I don’t see a photovoltaic cell converting carbon dioxide and sunlight into methane (the stuff that cows fart) at 24% efficiency as a viable competitor to that confield converting it into actual food at 2%. And my original point was that that cornfield is actually converting oil into food. Take away that oil, and there just aren’t enough cornfields to produce enough food for the world’s population.
I agree with most every data of Panther II above. Except for one point (and please excuse my clumsy english, I’m a western European, from France).
The modern world, i.e. the world as it is today, is a result of the thoughts of bright White men. It doesn’t matter that they were Christians or Jews. Christianity has been a nightmare imposed on the white mind. Science and powerful rational thinking existed long before the religion of the desert, in Greece. Greek thought (Eratosthen) had determined that the Earth is a sphere at a time when Jews were an obscure sect, captive and in exile in Babylon.
The reverse is true : it is the white intelligence, alas maldirected, which made Christianity powerful. All three religions of the desert are stupid death cults (real life comes after death), and christianity has been an enormous burden for White men. Instead of building cathedrals, men could have continued to think instead of obeying. Just think of a genius like Galileo. Examples by the hundreds… The great plagues of EUrope were in part due to the fact that the Church had declared cats an animal of the devil. So rats prospered, with their fleas… And instead of burning witches, we could have discovered the cause of the disease. Sheer religion-linked stupidity.
The cornfield is actually converting natural gas into food (CH4 -> steam reforming -> H2 -> N2+ Haber process -> ammonia -> fertilizer); oil is mostly used to ship food after it’s grown.
It’s probably more practical to leave reactors on the ground and use them to make chemical fuel, but you get the idea. There is a whopping amount of energy just sitting there.
I doubt we’ll cover fields with solar cells to make food. I just wanted to point out that we are nowhere near the limits of efficiency even given what we know now.
http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap14.html
54. ? (Hernnstein, 1994, p 456-457). If admission to medical school were determined by MCAT score, only seven blacks in the entire United States would probably be admitted to the top ten medical schools and there would be almost no black physicians. (Cross, 1997, p. 17; Dawson, 1994). Also see (La Griffe du Lion, 2000c; Gawande, 2004). The odds ratio favoring black applicants to medical schools over whites was 21 to 1 in 2005. (Clegg, R., “Discrimination Continues,” Center for Equal Opportunity, Oct. 17, 2006). Male physicians are recruited from people with an IQ of at least 114 (U.S. Dept. of Labor), which is 1.1% of the black population and 23% of the white population, so there should be 4.8 black physicians for every 100 white physicians. In 1970, there were actually 23 black physicians for every 100 white physicians and, in 1980, it had increased to 30. This means that of those 30 black physicians, 25.2 had IQs less than 114. (30 – 4.8 = 25.2). If we take 114 as the minimum IQ for competency, then 84% (25.2/30 = 0.84) of the black physicians are incompetent. (Levin, 1997, pp. 264-265; Ree, 1992). Since the 1978 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Regents of the University of California v. Bakke, which permitted racial discrimination in favor of blacks in medical school admissions, the percentage of whites in medical schools between 1986 and 2005 has dropped 27% while the percentage of blacks has increased 23.8%. (Association of American Medical Colleges). Moreover, basing admissions on standard tests actually results in over-representation of blacks; for the SAT test (Harvard data), 240 points would have to be subtracted from the black combined verbal and math scores to accurately predict black college performance. (Klitgaard, 1985). See (Miller, 1994b) for a proof.
The same is true of law schools. (Heriot, G., “Affirmative Action Backfires,” The Wall St. Journal, Aug. 24, 2007). Only sixteen blacks had a GPA of 3.50 or better and an LSAT score at or above the 92.3 percentile in the 1996/1997 tests, and those scores are below the median for elite law schools (Graglia, 1998), so Affirmative Action has also produced less competent black lawyers. (Kirsanow, 2006). First-attempt law exam pass rates were 31.1% for blacks and 73.1% for whites. (Law School Admission Council, 1998). “More than 20,000 adult blacks [out of a total adult (over 18) black population of 214,700,000 in 2004 (U.S. Census, Table 1)] in the U.S. have an IQ of 130 or more, but because of affirmative action, the chance that your black lawyer will be one of them is vanishingly small.” (La Griffe du Lion, 2000a). “Currently only about one in three African-Americans who goes to an American law school passes the bar on the first attempt and a majority never become lawyers at all.” (UCLA law professor Richard Sander, Fox News, Oct.15, 2007). (Lin, A. “Judge Rejects Race Bias Suit Against DLA Piper,” The New York Law Journal, Dec. 7, 2007). Black police (Levin, 1997, pp. 81-82) and firemen are also less competent, again sacrificing lives for egalitarianism. (La Griffe du Lion, 2000c; Batz, R. “Quotas in the San Francisco Fire Department,” American Renaissance, Vol. 9, No. 9, Sept. 1998). For every 1% increase in black officers in a police department, property crime goes up 4% and violent crime goes up 4.8%.” (Lott, 2000); also, “How Whites Stack Up,” American Renaissance, Vol. 18, No. 8, Aug., 2007, p. 11). Corruption also increases. (McGowan, 2001). Black teachers fail competency exams at more than twice the rate of white teachers. (Herrnstein, 1994, p. 393). In other higher level occupations, African Americans also have lower IQs than whites. (Jensen, 1998, pp. 565-569). Far more black than white employees (44% versus 25%) work in grossly overpaid government jobs, where politics trumps competency. (The ninth annual Black Investor survey by Ariel/Schwab). Blacks are over-hired in Federal government departments by as much as 808% more than their proportion in the civilian labor force. (“Equal Opportunity vs. Equal Results,” Adversity.Net, July 23, 2007). On TV and in the movies, blacks are portrayed as highly competent professionals, but the reality is the opposite. In the military, which is disproportionately black, “White recruits are more likely to end up in highly technical fields; black recruits are more likely to end up in clerical work or the supply services.” (Seligman, 1992, p. 202). Since the low IQ of blacks makes it impossible to find enough qualified blacks, women were given “minority status” for the purposes of Affirmative Action, though women are actually a majority. Back
excellent points Panther II AND Pakounta –
almost always, occam’s razor would suggest ascribing results to the genetics of the situation, rather than to elaborate socio-cultural-environmental hypotheses. similarly, DWL arguments of the plight of blacks being due to “white privilege-institutional racism-effects of slavery” would be better ascribed to genetics.
thank you, occam’s razor!
oscar the grinch–
Wrong. You are a victim of historical revisionism. I would suggest you research the ancient Greeks and Romans. The Greeks are responsible for most math, period. While it’s true that the word “algebra” is Arabic, the texts attributed to arabs turned out to be forgeries–i.e. modern techniques showed that the arab scholars had simply written over Greek papers. I suggest you google “ancient Greek inventions” for a primer of just how advanced they were–in everything. You will even find a 2,000 + year old astrological computer used for navigation purposes using hundreds of gears.
The Library At Alexandria was a Greek library. When Julius Caesar conquered Egypt, he conquered Ptolemy Egypt. Caesar packed the library up and sent it back to Rome. The library, in time, ended up in the vaults of the Vatican where they remain to this day and are available for study by genuine researchers. THe knowledge was never lost to Westerners, it was simply not available to the common man due to a lack of monies to educate the common man during the world’s longest lasting economic depression–commonly known as the “Dark Ages”. Said depression was brought on by the black hole otherwise known as “Islam”.
Arabs never invented anything, they simply over ran superior civilizations who knowledge they were able to co-opt until those people died out. Arabs have an average IQ of 87.
Similarly, it turns out the Chinese developed nothing on their own, google “3,000 year old Chinese mummies” and you will learn that it was Celts who brought Bronze Age technology to China–thereby explaining the lack of archaeological evidence of a transition from Stone Age to Early Bronze Age.
Which leads me to my final point. Why is it you gullible kids believe the nonsense about the inventions of non-whites? Do you think a people suddenly go from being inventors of civilization to stagnating in the Middle Ages for no good reason? How about Islam cut Western Man off from Asia, thereby stopping the importation, via trade, to Asia of the white man’s genius? The Ancient Greeks, followed by the Romans, laid the groundwork–including science, for everything that exists in the modern world that is good. No one, other than Americans, with the invention of the iron girder, has ever surpassed Roman engineering skills–no one. To this day, the ancient dome of the Hagia Sophia remains one the world’s greatest engineering triumphs. Have you any comprehension of what it took to build such a vast, free standing dome?(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia) The MATH involved? The fact that, to this very day, we still build them that way? There is an even older one in Rome.
excellent, excellent points, Robert in Arabia! if 23% of whites are at IQ of 114 & above, that must assume a white mean of 103 with a regular ol’ everyday size standard deviation. & blacks (with their much lower mean) have a more leptokurtic (“skinny-fied”) distribution, which explains why only 1.1% are 114 & above. & it’s consistently been that way for the 100 years this stuff has been measured, folks. wonder why, occam’s razor…
“You’re on safer footing after about the 15th century, at which point pretty much everything of excellence is the work of whites.” (oscar the grinch, #10 above)
This confirms my view : The whites really started to be themselves again with the Renaissance, when they gradually managed to get rid of the power of the Church… But a good 10 centuries had been lost to research, knowledge, intelligence…
PantherII it was an other way around: first humans discovered that world is amenable to scientific inquiry than they changed religion
RobertB — the ancient Greeks thought about numbers (ie, thought about math) in terms of geometry, and this limited their horizons. The ancient Hindus (who were Indo-European, not Dravidian, ergo “white”) thought about numbers differently, and it is their conception which we use today. As I’m sure you know, “Arabic” numerals are not actually Arabic at all, they are communicated to us via Arabic conquest from the Indic world. But Indic they are; which is to say, they aren’t Lithuanian.
You’re right that the advances of the Islamic world have zero, zilch to do with native Arab genius, which pretty much doesn’t exist and never existed — the Arabs conquered the Hellenic-Syrian Levant, Babylonian Mesopotamia, Persian Persia, Vedantic India, Persian-Hellenic-Roman Egypt, pointless North Africa, and Roman-Visigothic-Celtic-Jewish Hispania.
That’s quite a haul. Yes you’re right, the Islamic intellectual tradition should be put in proper perspective, given these facts.
And yet, of this, as a great American poet once wrote:
“Of this, an and yet and yet and yet.”
Not another misinforming article.
Yep, i guess it is true that Pythagoras formulated the pythagoras theorem.
Chinese invented nothing?
Taoism, Confucianism, Acupuncture, IChing, 4 amazing things from China. Chinese Medicine and Herbology etcetcetc.
Got a point to make, Anonymous? No, of course not. But by all means, knock one thing off the list of things White men are responsible for. That makes it, what? 999,999 to 1?
90404: Eh… I don’t count the I Ching or Chinese medicine and herbology as amazing things.
The I Ching actually is pretty amazing, from the POV of poetry and philosophy. It has nothing to do with “science,” ie consulting the I Ching will never give you anything like “reproducible results,” but if you understand it within its context, it is in fact very beautiful.
Early Chinese philosphy (circa “Spring and Autumn” and the Warring States era) is actually pretty impressive; the problem is they somehow went off the rails, and never fully delivered on that early promise. I love Confucius, but let’s face it, he was no Aristotle. And Chuang-tzu, much as I love him, is only worth say a single book of Plato. It’s a mystery to me why they didn’t go further, when they had the ability.
I guess (though I’m not an expert) you find more Chinese subtlety and dexterity in their commentary and practice of Buddhism, than you do in straight philosophy. Though even there, they get tangled up in the webs of quasi-scholasticism. Well, that’s not new, the medieval Christians, Muslims and Jews all fell for that baloney, too.
But the I Ching, don’t dismiss it out of hand, it’s pretty excellent in its own way.
Anonymous/Unamused re Pythagorean theorem…
Yes, the Pythagorean _relationship_ was well known long before Pythagoras himself. The difference is that it was known, say, in early Egypt (where right triangles were used for surveying land) by practical observation. The innovation of the Greeks was not to have discovered the relationship per se, but to have presented formal proofs of it. The Greeks took something that was common knowledge, and showed that it was axiomatic, showed how and why it HAD to be that way. That is the original contribution of Greek thought in the matter.
“Christianity has been a nightmare imposed on the white mind.”
On the contrary, Christianity effectively destroyed tribalism among whites, paving the way for nationalism, albeit unintentionally, without which none of this(the world as it exists today) would have been possible. By contrast Islam promotes tribalism at every turn, it should be little wonder that their golden age crumbled to dust on that basis alone, though there were many other factors contributing to their fall as well.
oscar the grinch, it was known, practised and the theory writen down, Why does Pythagarus take full credit by simply writing the theorem?
Unamused, of course i have a point to make.
Look, i have a deep respect and thankful for what the West have discovered and taking the human race further in terms of technology. But, as the Great Alexandra said, you must learn to respect old nations and kingdoms.
I see no point to mention steam engine, the so called Plato’s three “cardinal virtues”, Imhotep; the father of medicine, and of course the famous proverb ‘eat, drink and be merry’.
Or do you want to talk about geometry, medicine, philosophy, arithmetic, astronomy?
I have only one thing to say: get off your high horse.
But the theory was not written down. Mathematical theory as we know it is due to the Greeks. Any particular result in Euclid’s Elements may have been known and used for centuries before, but the mathematical trinity of axiom/theorem/proof is essentially (and to the best of our knowledge) due to him.
That said, a lot of the great philosophers/scientists/mathematicians (all the same thing back then) were from quite far to the east, but they were definitely Caucasian (one of the five major races). If you want to argue about whether or not they were “white” by whatever definition you use for the term, count me out.
And yet you did mention them. How about explaining your point? Who do you think invented the steam engine, and what did they accomplish with it? Was Plato not White/Caucasian? If you truly “see no point” in explaining yourself even a little, then just go away.
Okay, let’s talk about them. What did non-Whites/non-Caucasians and women accomplish in these fields? How does it stack up to what White/Caucasian men accomplished? If you list twenty things Asians and women did, and I list five hundred things European men did…
No, you had several things to say, or rather allude to. I have something to say as well: EXPLAIN YOUR POINT.
Basically the problem with the Chinese, who only come in at the Euro average of 100, unlike the Koreans and Japanese, who come in at around 105, is that they’re incredibly conformist, top down compliant, and good little bitches.
Not rebellious. Not that creative. When something is created it is only for the imperial court, and if they don’t find it helpful to them it’s suppressed. Not lower down competition to move upwards by economic means. All controlled from the top, and compliant all through, by and large, comparatively. See the end of Tang Chinese far sea explorations as far as East Africa. What trade resulted? None. Because it was all dictatorially determined. By the Chinese imperium.
Algol binary system, Geometry [U: what theorems of geometry specifically?], PI [what about it?], Solar calendar, Medicine [huh?], Astronomy [how much astronomy?], irrigation, dams, water wheel, pair of scissors, comp, make-up, wigs, locks, paper, ink, pen, [who, and what did they do with it?]
[what is the point of listing random simple objects known in the ancient world?]
People knew the earth was round (spherical) when building pyramids, series is older than Fibonacci himself. [yeah and cavemen invented language, huzzah?]
My point is that the West is another civilization at their prime inventing and discovering to understand and make better of their ambience based on information that was already laid upon. the fathers of Greek philosophy talk of Egypt, but the young Greeks are putting a misty cloud on the Egyptians. Unfortunate for them is that the truth can now be pointed out. [name another civilization like the West]
If the West is so mighty, what did they invent or discover around 2000 bc? [what exactly do you think anyone was doing around 2000 BC? oh right, inventing scissors] The era is ending, another civilization will rise to continue where you left of. [or we'll enter a new Dark Age...]
pythogarus studied the theory and deduced the theorem. 3 4 = 5 was writen down and practised. [U: learn to spell. and think]
Anonymous @ 5:00 am–
Moronic semi coherent comment.
It takes three things for a people and civilization to excel.
Sufficient racial / genetic intelligence and creative rebellion, plus lots of cultural civilizational momentum.
European civilizational momentum was broken with the decay of the late Roman imperium especially after 400ad, than then the fall of Rome to low civilizational at the time Germanic tribes.
Don’t forget white men invented the substance that can repair anything: duct tape. But before you get too big headed remember many white guys can’t dance. Not very well anyway. :-)
Really enjoyed this. Actually this is the first time I’ve commented, but just wanted to let you know that I’d like to see more posts like this!
“Everyone has heard of how indians (feathers not dots) back in the day wouldn’t allow any part of a buffalo to go to waste, right?”
Yeah, that’s obviously bullshit. They used to make herds of buffalo stampede off cliffs rather than singling out a buffalo and killing it to butcher. It is literally the most wasteful hunting method I’ve ever heard of.