Who are we arguing with now? Seattle edition
Feb 19th, 2012 by Unamused
It’s been a while since we did one of these.
We recently had cause for celebration as Unamusement Park made the news (finally!) after an intrepid ‘Park
reader ranger stapled our flyer on race and crime to copies of City Arts magazine (promoting “Black Power”) in Seattle.
Deluded “anti-racist” and disingenuous white liberal (DWL) Dave “Black Power Is Fantastic” Segal of the Seattle Stranger leapt into action (“White Supremacist Tampers With City Arts’ Excerpt of Listen, Whitey!”), noting that
- celebrating black power and using racial slurs against white people is “fantastic,” whereas
- citing the government’s crime statistics is not just “racist propaganda” but actually “white supremacy.”
Hijinks and shenanigans promptly ensued in the comments. The clear-headed, open-minded, right-thinking individuals (or “racists,” as they’re usually known) were out in force, causing such a ruckus, they even lured the author himself (Dave “History You Can Dance To” Segal) out of his damp cave and well beyond the safety of his Fact-proof bubble, where he was blinded by their white-hot white racial consciousness, then squished by a well-aimed Fact. Huzzah!
To preserve the commenters’ heroics for all time, in case (as usual) the comments themselves get purged by revisionist “anti-racists” afraid of reality’s racial bias, I’ve decided — in lieu of composing an epic ballad — to reproduce the highlights here.
Just look at those science numbers
Race denialist Zebes here is probably misrepresenting the arguments of racial realists, but it’s quite possible he’s simply unable to understand them. Which is it, Zebes? Lying or just plain stupid? I will accept “both” as an answer.
Honestly, if you look at the science numbers, in nine out of ten cases if you give knives to as many black people as you do white people the black people are 50% more likely to be black with knives than the white people are in half the cases reported. If you round up, that’s scientifici proof that blacks are always wrong. It’s just facts, people.
Maenalus pretty much covers both Zebes and Segal.
Holy crap, this Dave Segal is an moron. So celebrating the black power movement is good clean fun, but citing racial crime statistics is evil? Now let’s see Dave and the rest of you geniuses disprove anything in the “white supremacist” flyer.
And to the poster Zebes; are you aware of how absolutely stupid your lame attempt at a sarcastic put-down of the statistics is, and just desperately hoping that it will provide a brief mood of some kind of intellectual superiority for you and your fellow reality-denying liberal goons, or are you just a genuine, full-bore, 100 percent, completely cut off from logic and facts, convinced, true believing leftist moron?
Citing crime statistics: still “white supremacy”
A good comment by Penter:
A “white supremacist” is responsible for spreading “racist propaganda?” Come on you don’t have to be a supremacist to notice statistical patterns in crime, and the stats are the stats. If you have any problems with the numbers, Dave, come and leave a comment at the author of the flyer’s blog, here: [here]
One by MrX:
Celebrating black power and using a racial slur against white people is “fantastic” in book form, and if you put it on a CD, it becomes “history… you can dance to.” Citing the government’s crime statistics is white supremacy and racist propaganda.
From the linked article. I agree with this. This article and the writer come across as absolutely ridiculous if he/she is expected to be outraged by racism.
One by trololo:
Crime statistics = racist propaganda?
The white/black split in my county is more or less fifty-fifty, and, as a point to which I can personally attest, living in a county as dusky as mine ensures that the evening news is always jam-packed with “racist propaganda.”
And two by Steve Bloomberg, a little later:
The Unamusement Park flyer is simply a set of government statistics. Not sure how that is in any way supremacist?
Citing government statistics is racist propaganda, but racial slurs against whites and black power is fantastic?
I visited Unamusement Park and must say it is an excellent site.
I must say I agree!
Same as we always were: awesome
A typical “rebuttal” by one undead ayn rand: the adult equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting “la la la I can’t hear you!”
We’re not so naive as to believe anything that comes out of your mouth is sincere.
White Supremacists in modern times are “never about hate!” it’s always about “heritage”, or “White Pride” or the Bell Curve, or uncontextual crime statistics, or fearing “white genocide”.
Give me a break, you’re the same racist scum you always were.
Black Power White Power handles this hatred of whites well.
Yes, white supremacists are exactly the same as they always were. Because historical white supremacists were also never about hate. It always has been about heritage, white pride, “the bell curve” (although they didn’t call it that), crime statistics, and fearing white genocide. White people are not irrationally hateful people and never have been.
By the way, the crime statistics for black people are the same for EVERY CONTEXT. Everywhere in the world, and at any time in history, black people commit more crime. It makes no difference which country you look at.
Here, for good measure, is Maenelus again.
You idiot. It’s you liberal “anti-racists” who are always citing uncontexual incarceration statistics. The context being the crime statistics.
Of course we all know what the “context” for the crime statistics is according to you leftist no-brains: “THEY CAN’T HELP IT! THE WHITE DEVIL MAKES THEM DO IT!”
The brain-dead undead ayn rand was unable to formulate a response to this comment by Yvonne.
Undead Ayn Rand, what “context” is it that you think is missing in this discussion?
Go read the flier – and then come back and tell me what you think is inaccurate or what “context” is missing.
Dave “White Supremacy” Segal lurches forth into battle
Stand your ground, men! The Segal awakens!
I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!
Hi there! I’m Dave Segal, a disingenuous white liberal trying desperately to score points with racial minorities I secretly fear and disdain. To be honest, guys, I have no counterargument to anything you’re saying. In fact, I myself know perfectly well that blacks are more criminal than whites, and I live my life accordingly. I’m pretty sure I’ve still got the readers brainwashed, though, so I figure if I switch to talking about “racial purity” out of nowhere and then tell them you can’t get laid (little bit of projection, there), they won’t notice that you’re right about everything. Hey, what’s that falling from the sky in the direction of my three hideous arachnoid heads?
And then squish. That was the subtext, anyway. Here is what he actually wrote:
Shouldn’t all you guys who are so gung-ho about racial “purity” be reproducing with other “pure” whites to ensure that your future is “pure” and “superior,” instead of trolling a liberal newspaper’s music blog? Oh, wait, it takes social skills and a modicum of charm to get laid. Never mind…
Good grief. Pathetic even for this drooling idiot, whose 200-word article about “white supremacists” on the loose in Seattle amounted to “numbers bad, white people bad, black power good — please like me, black people!”
Now, this was the first time anyone mentioned “racial purity.” As Steve Bloomberg notes:
Who is gung-ho about “racial purity”? Maybe you are thinking of some of the comments you find on Asiasfinest? Anyway, I think Unamusement Park is mainly concerned about crime rates, human biodiversity and unfair blaming of europeans for underachievement by some groups (obviously by those who are unfamiliar with HBD research).
We can only conclude that Dave “Social Skills and a Modicum of Charm” Segal believes that citing the federal government’s own crime statistics is not just “racist propaganda,” nor even merely “white supremacy,” but actually an obsession with racial “purity.” If any of you still thought the word “racist” meant anything at all to these so-called “anti-racists,” well… now you know better.
Flying the race realist standard (it’s just a big not equal sign), Black Power White Power engages the enemy.
What is your argument with the flyer?
Do people here disagree that black people are more criminal than white people?
If you do disagree, then what makes you think that black people are no more criminal than white people?
Dave Segal (yes, the real Dave Segal, who really writes for the Stranger) counters as follows.
Guys! How are y’all doing on that impregnating “pure” white women front? Please keep us posted [(send pictures or I won't believe you)]. So much hangs in the balance.
Once again, I am powerless. I simply cannot make Dave Segal look any more ridiculous and stupid than he already does. My satire spells reflect off his chitinous shell and strike a nearby shrub, making it appear quite silly to other shrubs.
So I guess it’s a good thing Black Power White Power dropped that Fact on Segal’s distended abdomen from the back of his gryphon.
You’re confusing us with black people. White people have actual families and look after and raise their children, and pay for the costs of their children themselves. Impregnating lots of women and abandoning them and the children, while the white tax-payer picks up the bill, is the black reproductive strategy.
But you are right, the existence of the white race, and the kinds of societies that only the white race has created, does hang in the balance. So unless you’d enjoy living in Africa or Mexico, you need to preserve the white race for future generations.
You didn’t answer my question about whether you disagree with the statement that black people are more criminal than white people. I assume that means you agree with it.
The spindly legs of the Segal-thing twitch feebly — that is, whichever ones ‘Park rangers haven’t already hacked off and cruelly (but amusingly) jabbed him with. (“Why are you jabbing yourself? Why are you jabbing yourself?”)
Keep painting everything in obtusely broad strokes and looking at life in reductio ad absurdum ways, if it helps you to sleep at night, BPWP. Reality is way more complicated and nuanced than you’re making it out to be.
Thank goodness we had Dave “Please Send Me Pictures of Pregnant White Women” Segal to point out that reality is sooooo complicated and nuanced.
Black Power White Power bashes Segal’s one remaining hideous arachnoid head with his flail.
In what way is it more complex? Have you found some context in which black people don’t commit more crime? Have you found some rare case where white people discriminated against non-white people for some reason that had nothing to do with protecting their own heritage, taking pride in themselves, the differences in intelligence distributions, avoiding crime, or preventing genocide?
Why don’t you enlighten us with some nuanced and complicated explanation of what is happening in the crime statistics?
The irrepressible Maenalus tramples Segal’s corpse with his destrier.
You hear that everyone?! Dave here sees all the complexity and nuance of reality and doesn’t paint issues with broad strokes! That’s why the flyer gathering the nations crime statistics by race inspired him to write this intelligent, thoughtful look at crime and race in America! And why he totally did NOT respond by farting out a stupid little squeal against “white-supremacy”, calling the statistics “racist propaganda” and leaving it at that! Because he’s so nuanced! And complex! And doesn’t paint issues with broad strokes! Yay!
Dave, like every single other liberal who has disgraced humanity with his presence, you have the self-awareness of a beach ball.
You miserable idiot.
And Natassia heralds their victory…
I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time. Thanks for that! It seems like every day that I read leftist swill on the Internet I become even more convinced that leftism leads to mental retardation.
… while craig J provides light refreshments. I don’t know — mead? Venison?
Thank you Maenalus that was hilarious!
This Dave guy is a tool who states that white racial slurs and black power is “fantastic” but labels verifiable facts in a flyer as “racial propaganda”.
Please come back and debate your ridiculous opinion Dave instead of leaving a stupid vague comment about how everything is soooo complex.
Great, now I’m hungry for venison.
Grant “Broad Stroke” Brissey wades into the fray
Another slimy Stranger staffer, roused by Segal’s dying shrieks, slouches onto the field of battle and is promptly poked in the eye by a sharpened Fact.
I see in your eyes the same fear — oh, forget it. I bid you just squish it already, Men of the West. You hardly need to brace yourselves against the feeble, clammy slaps of the gelatinous Grant Brissey beast.
Hey racist fuckwads. Here’s a broad stroke for you. Eat shit, and next time you want to spout the bullshit you’ve been eating all your life, leave your real name.
Black Power White Power stands his ground, sharpened factual eye-poker in hand.
What’s so wrong with pointing out an obvious pattern in the crime stats, that someone should have to eat shit because of it?
And why do you need their real names? I’m guessing it’s not so you can send them a thoughtful letter after you’ve gone over their stats and found some flaw in them. What violence are you planning on inflicting on people who point out inconvenient truths, that you need to know their real name for?
Sir David Hollister is clearly a student of human biodiversity.
Grant Brissey ought to know that blacks are far more likely to eat shit than whites. The Cholera rates for black countries prove this overwhelmingly. Your pathetic attempt at an insult won’t change that either, nor will calling facts bullshit.
“There are innate race differences in shit-eating” — my next flyer?
Yvonne returns to distil the irony of the situation, mix it with boiling oil, and fling it in Brissey’s face, finishing him off.
And with that, Grant singlehandedly demonstrates the intellectual superiority of leftism.
Gotta love it.
Suddenly, the mysterious Steve Bloomberg… mixes up my metaphor.
Grant Brissey, perhaps you could try playing the ball instead of the man (as the expression goes)?
Couldn’t he have said something about jousting instead?
“I bid you stand, Men of the West.”
The battle is won. The war is far from over. But do not despair — well, do not despair too much. Always remember the kitties.
bubo despairs a little.
Well you can’t blame a bunch of childless hipsters for conforming to the accepted views of the day in regards to the declining white population and the future of the country. Meaning that thinking it’s a very bad thing is normal but saying that it’s a bad thing makes you as bad as Hitler, in 2012.
uh despairs a little more.
These statistics fail to impress the faithful because they are given as a symbolic threat; whereas only personal threat, if anything, can bring people around to the truth of race.
At the symbolic level, anyone pushing statistics or the like is the threat to group norms.
Even when they’re “mugged by reality”, as we say, their threat perception is so impaired that interpretations are available to them to avoid cognitive dissonance; clear-cut pathology of denial.
But I suppose any attempt at kulchur-jamming is better than none.
Gunshots may be despairing just a touch, albeit poetically.
Interesting, though all on here are willing to hack at the fliers, not one is willing to refute the contents.
Whites have let themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to object to dispossession,
much less to work for their own interests.
Never before has a people been fooled into thinking that there was virtue or nobility in surrendering its heritage,
and giving away to others its place in history,
only whites have been tricked into thinking that love for their own people is somehow “hatred” of others.
I leave you with the moderately despairing words of King George.
The great multi-racial American empire where facts are racist? No wonder we are headed for third-world nationhood. The truth is:
Immigration, tolerance, assimilation and especially DIVERSITY are being used against the white race.
This immigration and intermarriage is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.
Anti-white is called anti-racist, but it leads to the disappearance of one race and only one race, the white race.
It is genocide.
And also another kitty.