Amanda Knox is innocent: the black guy did it
Oct 9th, 2011 by Unamused
Let’s talk about Amanda Knox.
In November 2007, Amanda (above) was a 20-year-old University of Washington language student, spending a year abroad to study Italian, German and creative writing at the University for Foreigners in Perugia, Italy. She was dating 23-year-old Raffaele Sollecito (below), an Italian computer engineering student, whom she met at a classical music concert.
Amanda shared an apartment with two Italian women and one Meredith Kercher. Meredith (below), then 21, was a British university exchange student studying modern history, political theories and the history of cinema.
Just three months into her program, Meredith was dead.
On the night of November 1, Meredith was raped and murdered in her bedroom by a black man, Rudy Guede, in a burglary gone wrong. Candace Dempsey, author of the award-winning book “Murder in Italy,” has summarized forensics expert Ron Hendry’s reconstruction of the events of that night:
Rudy Guede broke in through a 2nd-story side window that night, armed with a knife, looking for small things he could readily translate into cash. That’s his M.O. He was already in the house, on the toilet, when Meredith came home around 9 p.m. He came out of the bathroom, slashed her to death with a knife in her bedroom, ripped off half her clothes, and sexually assaulted her [but see below]. After running into a nearby bathroom to get towels, he wiped off his bloody hands, sat down on her bed and rummaged through her purse for cellphones, credit cards and cash. Then he locked her bedroom door and fled, leaving a bloody trail of shoeprints all the way to the front door, which he unlocked with her stolen keys. After tossing her cellphones into a fancy garden that he mistook for mere shrubbery, he changed out of his bloody clothes at home or somewhere else and then went to the Domus disco and danced the night away. A few days later he fled to Germany with his bloody shoes and pants. Interpol arrested him on Nov. 20 and he was extradited to Italy, about a month after Amanda and Raffaele were jailed for the crime.
Not included in Dempsey’s summary of Hendry’s reconstruction: how Guede stripped Meredith and arranged her body for the rape — lifting up her hips, sliding a pillow under them, perhaps visiting the bathroom — while his victim was still alive, though losing consciousness, and aspirating her blood onto her own underwear and half-naked body.
Guede’s epithelial DNA, but no semen, was found inside her body. Prosecutors refused to test the semen found on the pillow, just one example of their egregious misconduct during the investigation and subsequent trials.
“He came out of the bathroom, slashed her to death with a knife in her bedroom, ripped off half her clothes, and sexually assaulted her” — that’s all. Four simple actions. The reconstruction gets into the grisly details of those four simple actions, complete with crime scene photographs. Here, for instance, is how the struggle ended. (Warning: extremely violent.)
Eventually Meredith falls to her knees. Rudy, still on his feet, straddles her from behind. From this vantage point, he grabs her jawbone with the fingers of his left hand, pulling her head back Then, with his right hand, he stabs her throat and drives the knife blade to its full depth. He pulls the blade upward until the wound is 3 inches in length. Large quantities of blood immediately flood onto his hand and his pants.
Rudy releases Meredith’s head and steps back as she collapses and begins to eject a large volume of blood onto the floor in front of the wardrobe closet. The initial blood deposits are likely oriented in the direction of the nightstand. Meredith attempts to crawl in a clockwise direction, propped on her right hand while clutching her left hand to her throat. She probably remains fully conscious for only a minute or so.
Meredith sustained a total of 47 wounds, some in self defense, and died from a combination of blood loss and suffocation. According to a pathologist’s report, “her death was slow and painful because despite the fact that her throat was cut, the blow did not sever her carotid artery” (BBC News).
In short, Meredith suffered exactly the sort of savage behavior that Unamusement Park has learned to expect from these… well, these savages of African descent, whether in Italy, Africa, America, or anywhere else in the world.
Guede (above), then 20, was a drug-dealing drifter and native of the Ivory Coast (national average IQ approximately 69) who had been living in Perugia for 15 years. Adopted at 16 by one of Perugia’s wealthiest families, he was asked to leave their home one year later, when he dropped out of school and simply refused to show up for the gardening job they gave him. His adopted father characterized him as a disappointment.
He had a history of burglarizing apartments, one of them — like Meredith’s — on the second floor. He had also been known to harass women and steal from their handbags. Just five days before Meredith’s murder, he was arrested in Milan for breaking into a nursery school to sleep. He was holding an 11-inch knife at the time — to defend himself from thieves, claimed the unemployed, homeless man.
After his escape from Italy and capture in Germany, Guede opted for a “fast-track” trial, exchanging his right to challenge the evidence against him for more lenient sentencing. At first, he blamed the murder on a “shadowy figure” who stabbed Meredith while Guede was in the bathroom and taunted him (in Italian) before fleeing out the window: “Negro found, found guilty.” Later, Guede would revise his testimony (many times) to falsely implicate Amanda and Raffaele, whom he had only ever seen in court. After a twelve-day trial, Guede was duly convicted of murder and sexual assault, and sentenced to 30 years in prison.
On appeal, his conviction was reduced to 16 years as a reward for his eagerness to frame Amanda and Raffaele, so it won’t be long before Italy is once again subjected to this utter waste of human life; the lying, thieving, drug-dealing, raping, murdering sack of filth that is Rudy Guede.
I’m praying that during his 16-year stint another convict will give him an extra-judicial death sentence. Reading things like this makes my stomach churn and my blood pressure rise, but it is still important to have all the facts, instead of the watered-down versions that the MSM inflicts upon us.
The incompetence of the Italian police and judicial authorities in this case was remarkable. Fortunately justice prevailed in the end.
Thanks for this extremely valuable summary. You’re a national treasure. Looking forward very much to the next installment.
Justice has not prevailed until Guede is dead. This is utterly sickening.
What is truly disgusting is that some media still suggest that the truth of the matter isn’t known*. In fact, the truth is remarkably straight forward — Guede broke in, killed her, left DNA all over the place & later fled the country.
There’s no DNA evidence Knox was in the room. There were also false stories leaked to the press, such as an invoice for bleach purchased the morning afterwards. The was reported in the UK in 2007, but the invoices were never produced at trial. Then there’s the whole overnight interrogation. It’s quite unbelievable really, and scary — I just hope that Knox makes millions from TV & book deals to give her some compensation for this travesty.
* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8660484/What-justice-for-Meredith-Kercher.html
I’ve added some of the grisly details of the reconstruction to the post; specifically, how the struggle ended.
Why have I done this? I don’t really know.
Wait…so you’re telling me a BLACK MAN committed burglary, rape, and murder?
Hahahahaha! As if! Since when has anybody ever heard of a black guy doing those things? Come on, if you’re just gonna make shit up you might as well talk about that time you cage-fought a peg-legged, left-handed Bigfoot disguised as Moby.
A black RAPIST and MURDERER. Yeah, that’ll be the day.
Hard to believe, I know.
By the way, it wasn’t Bigfoot. It was a yeti. And he (or she) was disguised as Beck.
Why thank you, essenn. Your comments are always so encouraging. Working on the next installment now.
Wait…so you’re telling me a BLACK MAN committed burglary, rape, and murder?
No shit. Is this real life?
I never heard much about this until Rolling Stone covered it in late June in a piece titled “The Neverending Nightmare of Amanda Knox.” I don’t normally read Rolling Stone but it caught my attention. Some cases are really straight forward and this is one of them. Guede is a monster and Knox & Sollecito were the victims of a witch hunt by Mignini.
This is not a case of “all’s well that ends well”. Two people spent 4 years in prison for a crime they didn’t commit. The real murderer was able to lie and BS his way into a lighter sentence. And a maggot of a prosecutor was able to get away with “pulling a Nifong.”
There is nothing that can undo the injury that Sollecito and Knox have suffered. But $10 million a piece would be a nice start. There is nothing that can undo the injury that Kerchner has suffered. But a rope around Guede’s neck would be a nice start. And there is nothing that can undo the damage done to the Italian justice system by that asshole prosecutor Giuliano Mignini. But him spending a year in prison for every year that Sollecito and Knox have would be a nice start.
A lot of people don’t realize that Knox’s family spent over a million dollars on publicity for this case. If they hadn’t then it wouldn’t have gotten the attention of American and Italian lawmakers. And those innocent people would still be in prison.
People should know the grisly details. How else will they understand what has been done to our people?
I guess it was a good thing this happened to a wealthy family. They had the means to carry out a protracted defense in depth, but who in the f#ck lets their daughters go out into the world and away from their protection like that?
THIS is part of the problem:
“Adopted at 16 by one of Perugia’s wealthiest families” — yes, he was another Third World fashion accessory for rich people.
I had pictured the Italian boyfriend being some cock-carousel sleazy alpha type, but he looks like a cool and normal human being. This helps support my new impression that Amanda is a decent girl and not some slut who partied with the wrong crowd.
So, they had a semen on a pillow and a [black] with a criminal record of theft and harassment of women, and the media insinuates he was involved in some sex game with 2 white girls and a white guy. The day is steadily approaching where DWL will get their just desserts.
Not all psychopaths are prosecutors; a few are defendants.
When I first read about this case, I was suckered by the lies fed to the press by Italian injustice machine.
I am not perfect, I used to believe in the six million you-know-whos.
I agree with the notion that the grisly details must be reported. If a kid takes over a store intercom and commands all blacks to leave Walmart it becomes international news, but a White couple are shot execution-style by a pair of [blacks] and barely a peep out of the media. Every day they tell me that my life and those of my race have no value. I hope I live to see the day when the worm has turned. I’m not the most optimistic person, but somehow I feel pay-back will be a bitch.
I value the work and research put into the summary of the trial but I do not respect the bias of “Savages African descent”. I am not black. I am pale as hell and have pale blue eyes. I still believe this was a great article until you mentioned your anti black bias. Please next time stick to journalism with out including your bias.
Lots of people at iSteve are talking about Ann Coulter’s criticism of Knox. Apparently Coulter’s opinion carries some weight with someone.
This is a case I’m just not going to read much about; I don’t have the time. Thanks for looking into it Unamused; you’re a class act.
Remember this, and all the details. All the gory details.
Remember that this creature is said to be equal, and now better, than Whites. Remember this the next time some loud ape is on TV telling us how oppressed he is, how racist Whites are for not wanting to worship him as god.
We gave these creatures delights they could never, ever have invented. And this is how they pay us back. They come here, ook around, shiftless in their work, then get to their real calling, rape and mayhem. The insane perversion of justice, the constant, unceasing, drive to bend to their ignorant, filthy will. From treacherous Whites on their behalf. This is “White Privilege.”
Whites, wake up! This is all they have intended for us from the very beginning.
Hmm,
You somehow forgot to mention that Knox (who I do think is probably innocent) falsely accused Patrick Lumumba (who was originally from The Congo, and employed Knox at his bar in Perugia) of the murder… she told a wild story to the police that placed herself at the crime scene, where she claimed that she heard Kercher’s screams in the next room as she was murdered by Lumumba… lies, every word of it.
You also forgot to mention that Lumumba is a very popular man in Perguia who is a husband (to a Polish woman) and a father, and many locals remain furious that Knox damaged this man’s reputation with her slander (he was imprisoned for 2 weeks thanks to Knox’s lie, and was released not through any help from Knox, but because other people pointed out that he had been with them the entire night of the murder).
Or maybe you DIDN’T forget… maybe you left this out because your goal at this site is to present white people as paragons of all that is good and true (except for white people who are NOT racist against black people… for those people you have nothing but contempt), and to present black people as the embodiments of everything base and evil.
The fact that Lumumba fits in well in his Italian community didn’t match your false narrative, which posits that blacks are incapable of living in peace and harmony among whites.
Anyway… I’ll admit that you’re a good writer, and you often have a light and clever touch to your hate screeds… it’s a shame that you use your talent in the service of racist propaganda. (And when you paint a portrait of the world in which EVERYTHING connected to black people as a group and/or as individuals is negative… news flash! That’s propaganda.)
I’m of course the foolish one for coming to this site more than once, as it only feeds my paranoia… I bet that when you’re in casual contact with black people you’re able to mask your hatred of us… I’m sure there are black people who are your acquaintances (well, you call one or two of them “friends,” although I doubt Mike at the office thinks of you that way just because you chat with him at the water cooler) who think that you’re a nice guy.
Really, these words are probably music to your years, because you WANT me to wonder if behind every smiling white face there is a bigot like yourself… there isn’t, of course, certainly not the majority of the time, especially with people your age, but it IS troubling to see someone as intelligent and (*sorta*) sane as you so filled with hate… most white supremacists are not particularly bright, and need to take their meds to pass as normal when they’re away from their keyboards and/or “Sons of Odin” kinfolk jamborees, so it’s too bad that they’re getting aid and comfort from the “kinder, gentler” white supremacist that is Unamusement Park.
A,
Remember the context: “Meredith suffered exactly the sort of savage behavior that Unamusement Park has learned to expect from these… well, these savages of African descent…”
Your mistake is assuming that my low opinion of blacks is a form of “bias,” when it’s actually quite well informed. I’m sure if you look into a few of my series, you’ll find plenty of evidence supporting it.
Don’t blame me because I notice black failure, black dysfunction, and black savagery, and don’t immediately blame white people for it.
Six Flags,
Do you see the words “part 1” in the title?
This post is about the murder of Meredith Kercher by Rudy Guede. A later post will explain how Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were framed by the Italian police, prosecutors, and media, as well as Guede. That post will discuss Amanda’s forced “confession,” which was actually her attempt, at police request, to imagine how the murder might have happened. Note that it was the police who originally suggested Lumumba’s name to Amanda and claimed that he was the one who attacked Meredith (among other lies).
You see, unfortunately for your argument, you don’t have any of the facts right. I work very hard not to make the same mistake, and yet you insist on calling me a “bigot.” I wonder, what amazing facts about black people have I missed? Presumably these missing facts are the ones that make up for their dysfunction and failure, as a group, wherever they may be.
PS If you ever met me, you’d think I was very nice. And I’m sure if you stick around, you’ll change your mind about me. But in the meantime, I’m sure you’ll continue to fantasize about my interactions with racial minorities.
More blacks behaving badly, but of course it is not a hate crime.
http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2011/10/three-years-after-winchester-atrocity.html
Unamused,
YOU are wrong. Knox did not initially SPECULATE that Lumumba could have POSSIBLY been at the crime scene, she said he was there, full stop. Later on, in her letter to the police, she backed away from that somewhat, claiming that her memory was hazy, that she wasn’t quite sure but she thought he MIGHT have been there, yadda yadda yadda… she did this presumably out of guilt for framing an innocent man for murder and/or concern that she might face criminal and/or civil charges for slander (which, of course, she did).
[Unamused: Wrong. The following is not in dispute (by people who are aware of the facts of the case): the police asked Amanda Knox to imagine what might have happened, and they provided Lumumba as the perpetrator. They told Amanda that he committed the murder, because they found Guede’s hair at the crime scene, and assumed that it belonged to Lumumba.
You should do your research. Instead, you’re spouting the same tired lies and misinformation that got an innocent white girl convicted for the crimes of an African. For that reason, you’ve earned a rebuttal — or dismissal — within your comment.]
As for your series, I’m not going to plow through all of that in a Quixotic attempt to get you to believe that I deserve to be judged by the content of my character, not the color of my skin (something that I presume you don’t believe… if I’m not mistaken, if you had your druthers you would deport all Americans of African descent postehaste (I’m not sure if there’s a specific percentage of African ancestry that would be needed for this, or if even a trace of black blood within the past ten thousand years would suffice, but anyway), regardless of our individual merits and demerits)… I’m not sure where you would deport us, as most of us were born here, and come from families who have been here for quite some time (google “The TransAtlantic Slave Trade” to learn more), but you’re probably working on the post in your “series” that has all of that figured out.
[Unamused: Your problem is that I actually do judge people on the content of their character. I don’t give blacks a pass just because they’re black, and blame everything on eeevil whites. And you are mistaken.]
The main reason I posted here was that it irritates me how rarely Knox’s slander of Lumumba is brought up (and when it is, it’s only in passing)… I don’t have any illusions that you’re going to stop your anti-black crusade any time soon, so it would be futile for me to make a prolonged effort to get you to do so… presumably you’ve marshalled evidence that supports your arguments and excluded or minimized evidence that is on the other side, and I’m not going to put in the many hours needed to make a full counter-argument against your many posts.
[Unamused: In other words, you can’t refute anything I’ve written. But go ahead and assume that the counterevidence simply must exist, it’s just that the mean ol’ racists have excluded it or minimized it or oppressed it or enslaved it or something. That’s what they usually do…]
Oh, but here’s one thing that I was tempted to post on a while ago, something that your comparison of interracial crime rates leaves out… there are a LOT more white people in this country than black people, so of COURSE a greater percentage of black criminals commit their crimes against whites than the reverse.
[Unamused: Even when you account for the greater number of whites, there are still way too many black-on-white crimes. It can only be accounted for by specific targeting of whites by blacks. Source: “The Color of Crime” (expanded second edition, 2005), which is based on data from the FBI and DOJ.
I also notice you’ve conveniently neglected the fact that whites tend to live around other whites and blacks tend to live around other blacks.]
Let’s say that I enjoyed throwing pies in people’s faces… if I had a machine that randomly teleported me to different parts of the country, and after I arrived at a new location I would throw a pie at the first person I saw, most likely I would end up throwing a helluva lot more pies at white people than at black people.
African-Americans make up 12 or 13% of the population… do black criminals commit their crimes against other blacks 12 or 13% of the time? No, they commit crimes against other blacks at far higher rates than that (I don’t have the exact number handy, although I’m sure you do), so if anything blacks are disproportionately targeting other black people, not white people.
[Unamused: Black criminal apologetics aside, here are the facts. Most black violent crime is inter-racial, not against other blacks. Blacks commit about 45% of their violent crimes against whites, 43% against blacks, and whatever’s left against Hispanics and Asians. Blacks tend to live near other blacks, so we should expect them to choose black victims much more than 13% of the time, even though, yes, there are more whites than blacks. Put it all together, and blacks still clearly target whites. Ibid.]
In any event, criminals of all races should be punished for their crimes against victims of all races. The black minority, AKA criminals, make life much harder for the black majority, AKA law-abiding citizens. (Criminals of all backgrounds (in the city streets, Wall Street, et cetera) make life much harder for everyone.)
I’m not in favor of hate-crime laws, by the way… I’m not fervently hoping for their repeal – I can think of about a thousand more pressing national priorities – but murder and assult are vile acts regardless of the demographic details of their perpetrators and victims, and they are by definition “hate crimes.” They are hateful acts.
[Unamused: And they are all too often committed by blacks against whites, out of pure racial hatred. The reverse is not true. Otherwise, we have a point of agreement.]
Six Flags,
Thing is, black activists and their DWL cheerleaders show no hesitation in holding whites collectively responsible for the actions of other whites. Look at how they push the slavery-segregation button all the time. Or colonialism-apartheid in the rainbow nation of new South Africa. And then demand that whites pay reparations in some form or another (affirmative action, war on poverty, minority grants, busing, black studies programs, BEE in SA, etc., etc.) on a collective basis.
Given this reality, blacks can hardly complain when white nationalists voice the same tactics.
Let me emphasize “voice.” WN are not demanding any reparations from blacks for the very high black-on-white crime rates or blacks trashing inner cities or whatever. They simply want to be left alone. But blacks (collectively) will not leave whites (collectively) alone. Thus, children must be bused around cities in the interests of what is being termed BRA (“black run America”); Section 8 housing programs export inner city populations to suburbia; and all must pay obeisance to black history, the black interpretation of the civil rights struggle, and MLK.
The most visible sign of blacks (collectively) not wanting to leave whites (collectively) alone is the high black-on-white crime rates, not to mention the phenomenon of wildings (aka flash mobs), gang-banging, and the fact that virtually every race riot since the Civil Rights era has been initiated by blacks, from Watts to Rodney King and beyond.
A question that needs to be raised (but will not be in the mainstream media-political-academic system) is: are these phenomena politically motivated? Is the non-stop anti-white agitprop in this country causing blacks to seek out whites for violent attacks as revenge for centuries of slavery-segregation, or as a form of rebellion against “white privilege?”
We see a similar trend in the rainbow South Africa, where the ANC sings, “Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer” and follows up with farm attacks, dispossessing whites of jobs, and some really grisly torture-rape-murders.
is that the future for an America in which white people are the minority?
African-Americans make up 12 or 13% of the population… do black criminals commit their crimes against other blacks 12 or 13% of the time?
Since black criminals usually come from black communities, it would make sense for them to be committing crimes against their own communities most of the time. We do in fact see black criminals deliberately seek out whites (and Asians) as victims because of their perceived weakness. This is especially so in grade and high schools with a lot of diversity. And again, look at the dreary reports of flash mobs and “Get Whitey” chants (perhaps the American version of “Kill the Farmer, Kill the Boer?”).
I need not comment that were the reverse to be true, were whites making large numbers of mob attacks on blacks it would be trumpeted throughout the media and race hustler and government agitprop system about the recrudescence of racism in America. Just look at the major production made out of “predatory lending” by banks to “people of color.” Aha! Racism!
So then where is the public outcry of, “Aha! Racism!” over wildings?
There’s a double standard out there. Thanks to the Internet and insurgents like Unamusement Park, the truth is coming out.
–Californian
Six Flags,
First, I do want to say that I appreciate your engaging on this forum. We are told by the higher ups that we are to have a “dialog on race” but such dialog is often one sided. Anyway…
…consider your own rhetoric:
… you often have a light and clever touch to your hate screeds… it’s a shame that you use your talent in the service of racist propaganda…
…I bet that when you’re in casual contact with black people you’re able to mask your hatred of us…
…because you WANT me to wonder if behind every smiling white face there is a bigot like yourself…
… but it IS troubling to see someone as intelligent and (*sorta*) sane as you so filled with hate…
Look at what you are doing. The moment that someone dissents from your worldview, in this case, Unamusement Park on matters of race, you immediately lay on with emotionally charged words such as “hate,” “racist,” “bigot.” Can you not conceive that there are people out there with whom you disagree on matters on race who might have a point of view which dissents from yours? And that maybe, just maybe, they have a point or two which is correct?
This is no mean criticism. You must be aware of the reality that anyone who would openly make comments such as Unamusement Park in the workplace, or in school, or even in a personal conversation would be subjected to termination, expulsion, threats of violence, communist style sensitivity re-education sessions, and in Canada/Europe, criminal prosecution under “hate crime” laws. (Try googling “Stephanie Grace Harvard” or “Geert Wilders”).
If liberal views on race are so self-evident, then why do they need all the repression to be enforced? And if liberals are such believers in “diversity” and “tolerance” then why do they need to suppress dissent on matters of race?
…most white supremacists are not particularly bright, and need to take their meds to pass as normal …
Now who is judging people collectively? How did you come to the above conclusion? Have you done a survey of “white supremacists” to determine their median IQ? Or checked their medical histories? Have you met “white supremacists” and discussed these issues with a modicum of civility? Or are you simply making generalizations based on prejudicial assumptions?
By the way, there are a lot of race realists who do not promote white supremacy. They simply, as noted in the prior post, want to be left alone. And to tell the truth without being subjected to repression.
What is wrong with that?
Can you clarify:
OK, which number is correct, 43% or 13%? You use two different figures in the same paragraph.
In his two previous comments, Californian has said many things better than I could have. So well done.
Hello R,
I stated that we should expect blacks to choose black victims much more than 13% of the time, because although blacks make up 13% of the population (that’s where the 13% figure comes in), they are not evenly distributed with all the other races. From “The Color of Crime” (expanded second edition, 2005):
So blacks committing 43% of their violent crime against other blacks (2001–2003) does not suggest blacks are deliberately targeting other blacks. The fact that they commit 45% of their violent crime against whites is very good evidence that they are targeting whites.
Consider homicide. Homicide is the violent crime for which the perpetrator is most likely to know the victim. Only about 16% of black homicide is against whites and Hispanics (2001–2003). From “The Color of Crime” again:
“The Color of Crime” also takes the black-on-“white” (meaning “white and Hispanic”) crime rate as a multiple of the white-on-black crime rate (blacks were 39 times more likely to attack whites than vice versa; black-on-white crimes made up 85% of inter-racial crimes) and adjusts for two factors: (1) the greater number of white potential victims, and (2) the greater crime rate of blacks.
I think ‘Park readers have seen enough black-on-white mob attacks and other vicious crimes to judge what the most plausible cause of this inter-racial crime rate discrepancy is (and to seriously question if today the disproportions in black-on-white assault are still almost entirely explained by the greater numbers of whites and the higher black crime rate).
Californian wrote:
Have you done a survey of “white supremacists” to determine their median IQ? Or checked their medical histories? Have you met “white supremacists” and discussed these issues with a modicum of civility? Or are you simply making generalizations based on prejudicial assumptions?
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I write: Fair enough, I withdraw that argument, which was made out of irritation more than anything else. I HAVE noticed that online many of the most bigoted anti-black thread comments come from people with a poor grasp of the written word, but the same could be said for some of the replies to their words… and sure, it would be dishonest of me to claim that you and Unamused are the only white supremacists I’ve ever come across who can present their views in a coherent fashion, so yes, I withdraw that argument.
Californian wrote:
— Look at what you are doing. The moment that someone dissents from your worldview, in this case, Unamusement Park on matters of race, you immediately lay on with emotionally charged words such as “hate,” “racist,” “bigot.” Can you not conceive that there are people out there with whom you disagree on matters on race who might have a point of view which dissents from yours? And that maybe, just maybe, they have a point or two which is correct? —
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I write:
I’ll grant that I’m not the last word on matters of race or on anything else, but I use emotionally charged words when I come across someone who wants to limit my civil rights because of my race.
It’s not the fact that Unamused thinks that blacks are genetically inferior to whites that causes me to see him as a tool of hate… I’m sure that MANY white people think that, including some people I know and think reasonably well of… it’s not exactly a new concept for white people, who have thought rather highly of themselves relative to others ever since the idea of “whiteness” first took shape.
I suspect that many white supremacists (despite their token acknowledgment of the high IQ scores of some Asian ethnic groups (an acknowledgement which is often made to say, “See, you can’t say we’re being racist toward blacks, because we give the Asians their IQ props”)), if they were being honest, would admit to thinking that they’re superior to the high-IQ Asian groups too. “Yeah, they do well on those tests, BUT they don’t have the natural creative genius of the white man, or the white man’s kinesthetic intelligence, as demonstrated by his superior car-driving ability,” and so on.
But I digress… my point is that Unamused becomes a tool of hate when he takes his belief in black inferiority and uses it to try to deprive ME, Six Flags, of MY rights.
I’m as American as anyone else in this thread, I was born and raised here, as were my parents before me… I’m the grandson and grand-nephew of African-American soldiers who served their country in Europe during World War Two. I’m not committing any crimes, nor is anyone in my extended family, or my many black friends and acquaintances (I know this isn’t literally true… I’m “acquainted” with many people, and I have no doubt that there are black people I have briefly come across who are criminals… I don’t pal around with such people, though, and I don’t even hear about such people through the grapevine).
Anyone who says that despite my standing as a respectable citizen I should be deported from my own country because of my skin color is a tool of hate.
Anyone who says that my race should allow others to discriminate against me in housing, employment, use of public facilities, et cetera, is a tool of hate.
Now, despite what Unamused has written, the issues connected to race and intelligence are unresolved … the experts (outside of the Pioneer Fund crowd at least) have not come to anything like a consensus on the matter.
I won’t argue that there is a consensus that race and intelligence are wholly unrelated, because there isn’t one, but neither is there anything close to a consensus that there IS a connection… you know this, and so does Unamused… now he’ll probably try to bait me again into launching a link war with him, but I won’t be drawn into one, that would take forever, and a Lincoln-Douglas debate on the issue isn’t worth my time.
If Matt Drudge or Andrew Breitbart went on a public crusade in support of the notion of black inferiority, maybe I would make the effort – they have a much larger platform than Unamused does – but I’m not going to plow into The Flynn Effect and so on and so forth HERE, where my audience would be fairly small, and consist largely of white supremacists, who would be unlikely to change their views regardless of what I wrote.
Believe what you want to believe – hell, even follow up Richard Lynn’s attempt to relate black penis size to intelligence if you want – but don’t take away my rights and freedoms as an American (a kinky-haired, brown-skinned, reasonably intelligent, averagely-endowed American) because of theories you have that have nothing to do with me as an individual.
When you do that, yes, you’ve become a hatemonger.
If you’re against affirmative action, fine. If you want to limit governmental benefits, fine. If you want to change the immigration laws to favor the highly educated, fine. I probably draw the line in those areas differently than you would, but I won’t call you a racist just because we differ there.
I WILL call you a racist, however, if you try to take away my right to live where I want, work where I’m qualified, or dine where I choose just because of my blackness.
Anyone who says that my race should allow others to discriminate against me in …
But who is saying that? And who is discriminating against black people in America, today?
What has motivated many white people to identify with what is known as the “race realist” movement (at least online) is the recognition that they, as white people, are being discriminated against via:
* affirmative action, minority grants, etc.
* access to education (just look at how virtually every major university in the USA has black studies and black advocacy groups, as well as racial preferences for minorities being worked into admissions, even when forbidden by law).
* free speech rights (again, white people who refuse to tow the liberal party line on race are shouted down, fired, driven from universities, subject to mob violence, ignored by the DoJ when their rights are violated, etc.).
* degradation of their history (America is the land of slavery-genocide-segregation, blah blah blah).
* public safety (again, look at the disproportionate numbers of black-on-white flash mob attacks).
* the media (look at how the civil rights movement is presented entirely from the perspective of blacks, without any of the real concerns of white people at the time ever being shown, re all of the above).
* internationally (American media, academia, and even government ushered in the ANC to rule in South Africa, and now that the ANC is violating human rights, is ignoring the plight of white people in that country; a lot of people are asking, if/when whites become a minority, in the USA, how will they fare?).
* etc.
Supposing none of the above existed.
Supposing just that white people could publicly make the statements they are making on this website without being shouted down, fired, expelled from school, or accused of “hate crimes?”
White Americans are being pushed by the increasing repression into being more strident when it comes to racial issues. And this includes a lot of otherwise (formerly) liberal people. Trying to be reasonable just does not work. Look at what happened to American Renaissance–one of the most vanilla of all race realist groups–when it tried to hold its annual conference. It was shut down two years in a row without the slightest objection from the DoJ or media or ACLU.
Is this civil rights in the 21st century?
Let me ask: are you blind to all this? Do you not realize the backlash which may be in the works, caused by the constant race hustling, the grotesque double standards, the increasing dispossession on white people not just in America but globally?
And would you be willing to try and stop this backlash simply by listening to what race realists have to say?
I don’t think Richard Lynn has said anything about penis size. If he has, show me the reference and I’ll retract.
Californian,
Your perception of reality veers so sharply from my own that I’ll leave the bulk of your post alone; it’s not as if I’m going to convince you that you have a distorted perspective anymore than I’m going to convince a Scientologist that Xenu isn’t real (and you’re certainly not going to convince me that there is some other sympathetic perspective to offer when it comes to the white domestic terrorists who opposed the civil-rights movement).
As for who is trying to discriminate against me… I’m not an Unamusement scholar, so perhaps I’m mistaken, but I was under the impression from things I’ve read by him in the past that he would gladly have all African-Americans deported from this country if the political climate today made that possible.
If that weren’t possible, he would have have us live in a separate racial homeland… if THAT weren’t possible, he would repeal the civil-rights laws, and allow employers, landlords, restaurant owners, et cetera to discriminate against different groups (blacks, whites, Jews, gays, whomever) to their heart’s content.
If I’m wrong on all of this, and Unamusement does NOT favor legalizing discrimination, then I apologize… even if that isn’t what he believes, surely you know that there are many white supremacists (or white nationalists, or “race realists,” or whatever euphemism you want to use) who would favor one of these options.
As for your rather paranoid portrait of the plight of white America in 2011, opposition to affirmative action is totally respectable in the mainstream of public opinion, and many people voice their opposition to it without being ostracized.
And Charles Murray wrote a book (along with the late Richard Herrnstein) in which he argued that blacks were genetically inferior (I know that was only a relatively small portion of The Bell Curve, but that of course got the most attention), and he wasn’t ostracized… many people disagreed with his views sure, but he’s with the American Enterprise Institute as we speak, where I’m sure he makes a comfortable living… he’s not exactly living on the fringes of society.
I don’t understand your reference to black studies in colleges… why shouldn’t African-American Studies be taught in colleges? Do you object to American Literature being taught? Latin? Judaica? African-Americans are part of the world, and most certainly part of America… there’s no reason that courses related to our history, literature, culture, etc. should not be taught in colleges.
As for flash-mob violence… are you under the impression that there are respectable people standing up in support of it?
I for one agree with Michael Nutter, the African-American Mayor of Philadelphia, who said,
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/youve-damaged-your-own-race-philly-mayor-blasts-teens-flash-mobs/
“You’ve damaged yourself, you’ve damaged another person, you’ve damaged your peers and, quite honestly, you’ve damaged your own race,” Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter said in a fiery address before his congregation Sunday. “You damaged your own race.”
Nutter, who is African American, targeted so-called flash mobs of black youths who’ve been caught on video attacking people in downtown Philadelphia. “If you want…anybody else to respect you and not be afraid when they see you walking down the street,” he said from the pulpit at Mount Carmel Baptist Church, “then leave the innocent people who are walking down the street minding their own damn business. Leave them alone.”
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Listen, anyone who randomly assaults people should be arrested, and prosecuted, and kept away from the rest of us… and I’m not exactly voicing a controversial opinion for a black person. Who do you think is committing these attacks? Black kids on the margins, with pathological backgrounds… the average black person is just as scared of kids like that as you are.
LOL… I’m sorry, but I don’t believe that white people are “being pushed by the increasing repression [sic] into being more strident,” I think that everyone is online now, and so it’s easy for disaffected/alienated/fringe groups of every kind to imagine that their numbers are far greater than they actually are.
The reason that people like yourself come online to vent and share your racial anxieties with like-minded people is that white society as a whole is increasingly appalled by the kinds of views you express, so the online world provides you some solace.
I read a fascinating article years ago about the “pro-ana” movement, which is in favor of anorexia… in pro-ana (which exists largely online), people share suggestions with and provide positive affirmation for other anorexics… it’s their own little bubble where they can pretend that their reality is the healthy reality.
That’s more or less how I see “race realism.”
Anyway, carry on, fight the good fight against your oppressors (the SPLC? Nancy Pelosi? The Ivy League?)… I certainly won’t try to stop you, but I’m certainly not going to spend my time and energy indulging views (views that I’ve heard enough times already, thanks) that I consider repugnant and sometimes borderline insane.
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Olave,
Oops, I confused Lynn with his fellow Pioneer Fundista J. Phillipe Rushton (it probably won’t surprise you to learn that I’m not a fan of either man):
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/07/rushton-and-genital-size-one-more-time.html
Correction: I referred to “Judaica” above, but after thinking about it (and double-checking), I realized that refers more to physical items related to Judaism (menorahs, for example), and is not the same as Jewish Studies… in the above post I meant to refer to Jewish Studies (which to me is another legitimate area of academic inquiry in a good college, along with African-American Studies, Ancient Greek, and many more).
Six Flags,
I stated the ways in which white people are discriminated against. Now, can you name any law in the USA which discriminates against blacks? Or any university? Or corporation?
…I’m not an Unamusement scholar, so perhaps I’m mistaken, but I was under the impression from things I’ve read by him in the past that he would gladly have all African-Americans deported from this country if the political climate today made that possible.
I can not speak for UP, but I will note that there are many otherwise reasonable Americans who are being driven to such extreme positions in response to the unending demands of the race hustlers. I’d venture to say that most Americans would have supported Brown vs Board of Education, or even the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But affirmative action? Forced busing? Federal regulation of every last employment transaction in America to ensure EOC requirements are met? Lowering of education and professional standards? PC speech codes? Banning of the Confederate flag? Support for the ANC in South Africa? Reparations for slavery, along with whites groveling in apology?
At what point will these demands stop?
RE Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein, they were connected enough to be able to write a book stating some very un-PC things and not lose their jobs. But again, I ask that you google “Stephanie Grace Harvard” to see what happens when an average (or in her case, above average) white person speaks on topics which do not meet current racial orthodoxy. And please note that the entire Harvard establishment turned against her over one private remark.
…why shouldn’t African-American Studies be taught in colleges?
Because they are centers for political activism, not scholarship. I have had enough connections with academia to see this in progress. They promote grievances against whites which are frequently translated into programs which discriminate against whites, such as university “diversity” requirements. If there were corresponding white studies programs which promoted white political activism, it would balance out. But there are not. Most social sciences departments are dominated by liberal to moderate academics.
As for flash-mob violence… are you under the impression that there are respectable people standing up in support of it?
You have to look at the bigger picture.
Look at how the “hate crimes” industry has promoted the mythology that whites are responsible for inter-racial violence such that blacks are kept in terror. The media and academia and race hustlers promoted the Duke U lacrosse case on this grounds. And we have had various other hoaxes, such as the supposed wave of church burnings back in the 1990s. Try digging up the US DoJ report on “hate crimes.” It bashes whites all the way back to colonial times.
Yet with flash mobs, we have a systemic wave of blacks attacking whites and this scarcely registers on the mainstream media or among those who claim to be fighting against “hate crimes.” I’d venture to say that were it not for the internet, the extent of these crimes would not be known.
And yes, congrats to Mayor Nutter for bringing up this issue.
As long as I have this thing on a roll, I did want to make one more remark. And that is about the role of the Internet. The Internet has shown considerable efficacy as a means for otherwise marginalized groups to share information, to discuss proscribed ideas, to organize, and to take action.
Look at the Arab Spring, organized in large part via networked media. And this in the face of some fairly repressive regimes. One might also note flash mobs (both violent and non-violent) organized by social media. And some fairly hefty political demonstrations in the USA and Europe.
It is not inconceivable that race realists, or other groups on the “outs” in the Western world, will be able to exploit this medium to gain political advantage.
If that weren’t possible, he would have have us live in a separate racial homeland… – Six Flags
Does that idea sound terrible to you? (To me, it’s too vague to evaluate. In short, I’d be okay with it only if there were designated mulitracial areas and if no homeowners were forced to sell under any circumstances.)
Let me ask:
Do you think whites and blacks can, in general, live together in peace? If so, why? If someone were to offer you several instances of black-on-white violence to argue that interracial peace is unlikely, would most liberals counter by discussing white-on-black violence? I.e., do liberals commonly offer stories of the oppression of black without realizing that that, too, is an argument for local autonomy?
if THAT weren’t possible, he would repeal the civil-rights laws, and allow employers, landlords, restaurant owners, et cetera to discriminate against different groups (blacks, whites, Jews, gays, whomever) to their heart’s content.
Are you for or against that? Why or why not? White Congressman survive being excluded from the Congressional Black Caucus just as I survived being excluded from several African American students’ unions. I could survive a “no whites served here” sign on a black-owned establishment, and street violence has the same effect anyway. Why shouldn’t private businesses, organizations, and clubs be allowed to pick their own members? And how does your answer reflect on your ideas about property rights?
To clarify: I don’t believe any state or taxpayer-funded organization should have the right to discriminate racially, which means no affirmative action or racially-earmarked grants or positions. If racism in grants, hiring, or admissions persists, the next step would be to ban public organizations from face-to-face interviews, as well as banning Federal agencies from using their Rule of Three.
On the separate racial homeland idea –
From a purely utilitarian perspective (i.e. one which doesn’t look at constitutional plausibility), consider the following formula:
1. Figure out what fraction Caucasoid (i.e. the race, as determinable by forensic DNA tests, not the white ethne, partly a matter of self-identification) people are among U.S. citizens. Cut this fraction in half (i.e. from ca. 70% to 35% or whatever). Count down the states with the highest percentage Caucasoid until you have 35% of America’s area. That’s Zone Z.
2. Count down the states with the highest percentage Congoid until you have 7% (i.e. half of the blacks’ 14% of the population) of America’s area. That’s Zone A.
3. Everything else in CONUS is left at the status quo (i.e. either Indian Reservation or multiracial).
Caucasoid people can’t sign leases or buy property in Zone A; Congoid people can’t sign leases or buy property in Zone Z. DNA tests adjudicate disputes. Race-based curfews for visitors are also allowed. (Landowners can keep or sell property at their leisure and are immune from curfews.) Voting rights, right to sue, free speech etc. are not effected.
Note that this plan gives blacks control of the economically most important river in North America as well as some great rice-growing country. There’s also some good tourist attractions. So, plausibility aside, I invite all to evaluate from an ethical perspective.
I’ll incorporate my reply to your first post right inside of it.
If that weren’t possible, he [UP] would have have us live in a separate racial homeland… – Six Flags
Calif: Does that idea sound terrible to you? [Six Flags: Yes, yes it does. I am an American. I don’t have an inherent right to live and to exercise my political franchise in Barbados, Brazil, or Bulgaria, but I do have an inherent right to live anywhere I choose across this beautiful country of mine. It would infuriate me if that right were taken from me. Granted, there are several dozen states where it is highly unlikely that I will ever want to live, but that’s not the point… I CAN live in them if I choose, and I want that right to be preserved for every other American too.]
Calif: (To me, it’s too vague to evaluate. In short, I’d be okay with it only if there were designated mulitracial areas and if no homeowners were forced to sell under any circumstances.) [SF: Then you’re saying that you don’t REALLY want mono-racial homelands, because there would inevitably be some homeowners of the “wrong race” who would want to remain in their homes.]
Calif: Let me ask:
Do you think whites and blacks can, in general, live together in peace? [SF: Yes.] If so, why? [SF: Because we are doing so as we speak. America is at peace… if you want to see a country in a civil war, I can point you to a number of other countries in the past couple decades on four other continents. If you’re talking specifically about crime, the rate of violent crime has plummeted nationwide in the last twenty years, at the same time that the country has become increasingly diverse. (And speaking of that increasing diversity, the exclusive focus on black and white, and on monoracial people for that matters, is so Twentieth Century.)]
Calif: If someone were to offer you several instances of black-on-white violence to argue that interracial peace is unlikely, would most liberals counter by discussing white-on-black violence? [SF: Perhaps, but I’m not The Amazing Kreskin, so I don’t know. And instances of violence call for more police protection and other preventive and ameliorative measures, not racial separation… why the hell should I be stuck with the sliver of the black population that is attacking white people… black people that run around attacking white people are more than happy to attack other black people in a pinch… I am not any more obligated to be burdened with those people than you are, thank you very much. I have not caused these people to be violent; I am no more at fault for their behavior than you are… it is deeply racist to suggest that law-abiding black citizens have to shoulder any more responsibility for lawbreaking black citizens than non-black citizens do. Did you hear about those two white natural-born killers who raped and murdered a doctor’s wife and daughter at their home in Connecticut a couple years ago? It was a big story around these parts. Well, they’re white, and you’re white, so why don’t we place them under house arrest… in your house? That’s ridiculous, of course, which is my point.]
I.e., do liberals commonly offer stories of the oppression of black people without realizing that that, too, is an argument for local autonomy? [SF: No, it’s an argument for not oppressing black people.]
SF quote: “If THAT weren’t possible, he [UP] would repeal the civil-rights laws, and allow employers, landlords, restaurant owners, et cetera to discriminate against different groups (blacks, whites, Jews, gays, whomever) to their heart’s content.”
Calif: Are you for or against that? [SF: I’m against it.] Why or why not? [SF: Again, because I’m an American, and every American deserves full access to all of America.] White Congressman survive being excluded from the Congressional Black Caucus just as I survived being excluded from several African American students’ unions. [SF: No, you CHOSE not to be part of these student unions. In most colleges outside of Bob Jones University, membership in different student organizations is open to all students, regardless of the focus of the organization. If you wanted to be part of those organizations, you should have demanded to be included, and taken matters to the administration if necessary. I suspect, however, that you had no interest in being part of those organizations. (And in case you’re wondering, most if not all predominantly black colleges have non-black students who attend them. (Sometimes people will try to bring up black colleges as if they’re a form of segregation, but they’re not.))]
Calif: I could survive a “no whites served here” sign on a black-owned establishment [SF: that’s your individual choice… no one is demanding that you eat at black restaurants, they’re just guaranteeing your right to eat at them if you so choose], and street violence has the same effect anyway. [SF: Maybe “street violence” (or at least your fear of it) has that effect on your patronage of black-owned establishments where YOU live, but in New York City, where I live, you’ll find racially diverse patrons at any good black-owned restaurant. And Harlem has a steadily growing population of white residents, by the way. And if you went to Fort Greene, a neighborhood in Brooklyn, you would probably have a heart attack… there you will find tons of black people, tons of white people, tons of other people, all living there and glad to do so, and paying higher rents than in many other parts of the city, including some predominantly white neighborhoods.]
Calif: Why shouldn’t private businesses, organizations, and clubs be allowed to pick their own members? And how does your answer reflect on your ideas about property rights? [SF: Private organizations are private in the sense that they’re not run by the government, but they still very much benefit from what the government has to offer. They utilize the police department, the fire department, the legal system, and many other governmental organizations and services… given this fact, they have given up the right to discriminate against certain citizens because of their race.
And in case you haven’t noticed, they DO pick their own members… they are legally free to use a variety of criteria to pick their employees and members, they’re just not allowed to factor race into things (not openly, at least… obviously discrimination is still very much with us, and no doubt you and many others here at UP do your level best to get away with discriminating against black people whenever you can, but that’s certainly no reason to make it easy for you to do so)].
Calif: To clarify: I don’t believe any state or taxpayer-funded organization should have the right to discriminate racially, which means no affirmative action or racially-earmarked grants or positions. If racism in grants, hiring, or admissions persists, the next step would be to ban public organizations from face-to-face interviews, as well as banning Federal agencies from using their Rule of Three. [SF: I’ll close with a link from UP’s favorite whipping boy, the incisive and eloquent Tim Wise:
http://www.timwise.org/2011/03/a-bad-year-for-white-whine-college-scholarships-and-the-cult-of-caucasian-victimhood/%5D
Olave, I think I’m done here at UP.
I’m not going to spend time debating the pointless neo-Swiftian modest proposal that you threw out in your second post. You and I both know that neither the establishment of government-sanctioned racial homelands nor the abolition of basic civil-rights protections have the slightest chance of happening in our lifetimes, or in the lifetimes of today’s newborn children.
No, rather than indulge you any further, I’m going to return to the solid ground of REALITY, to places where I can debate the pros and cons of affirmative action, entitlement programs, abortion, the rise of the BRIC powers, the separation of church and state, Keynesian economics and all the other issues of the real world (as opposed to the issues of race [sur]realism) with well-meaning people who may differ in their politics and philosophy but certainly believe that all of America belongs to all Americans, and should never be divided into various racial homelands.
Sheesh, thank goodness that whack job, 6flags is gone.
They utilize the police department, the fire department, the legal system, and many other governmental organizations and services… given this fact, they have given up the right to discriminate against certain citizens because of their race.
What other rights have I unknowingly forfeited? Apparently, all of them.
Give him this, he can spell better than most Babuntu, but his logic is about on a par with the rest.
You spoke too soon, AnalogMan. He has returned, to lecture us on a variety of things bearing no clear relation to my stated beliefs. He does not seem to understand that we merely value freedom of association and freedom of speech (among other things, like science). That includes the freedom to observe the failure of the black race, and the freedom to stay the hell away from them.
He assures us that whites and blacks can live together in peace, which we know because (a) he refuses to acknowledge the epidemic of black-on-white violence in this country, and anyway (b) it’s not as bad as in some other countries (non-white countries, presumably).
I’m still waiting for him to realize that all these terrible things I supposedly believe are actually of his own invention. Maybe then he will actually read what I write, and become informed. Or he will go away. Either suits me.
Californian and I look alike, because, you know, we are both white.
I thought about closing my comments with my above one-liner (I was once mistaken for another white guy by a black guy*, so it made me chuckle). I decided not to, because of a couple of interesting points that emerge.
And instances of violence call for more police protection and other preventive and ameliorative measures, not racial separation…
Other measures include prisons, which a lot of liberals attack as “racist”. Of course, they are racist, since they connive in the gang rapes of tons of any white men not racist enough to belong to a white racist prison gang. My solution, as you may expect, is prison segregation until completely secure prisons are in place in sufficient numbers. Completely secure prisons means physical solitary with closed-circuit TV contact with any non-ex-convict who wants to visit you. It’s not clear if Six Flags thinks the rape of white men in prisons is a big deal or not.
why the hell should I be stuck with the sliver of the black population that is attacking white people…
Same reason I’m stuck with the criminals in my community. It’s part of what a community is.
black people that run around attacking white people are more than happy to attack other black people in a pinch… I am not any more obligated to be burdened with those people than you are, thank you very much. I have not caused these people to be violent; I am no more at fault for their behavior than you are…
The reasoning is sound but alas, it is decades too late! I am no more at fault for slavery than a black person is, yet I made to suffer for it economically and psychologically. Group culpability is a fact of life, sorry to say.
it is deeply racist to suggest that law-abiding black citizens have to shoulder any more responsibility for lawbreaking black citizens than non-black citizens do.
Oh, “deeply racist”, that’s funny.
And in case you’re wondering, most if not all predominantly black colleges have non-black students who attend them. (Sometimes people will try to bring up black colleges as if they’re a form of segregation, but they’re not.
Most if not all predominantly white neighborhoods have non-white residents. Sometimes people will try to bring up white neighborhoods as an example of de facto segregation, and they are to the same degree that black colleges are. Note that Federal regulation of home loans and home sales is aimed at eliminating historically white neighborhoods, while Federal policies protect HBCs.
* Dating myself: a classmate of mine was sure I had bet him some money on the famous Holmes – Cooney fight. I guess some other white guy had.
I’m not done here at UP.
I’m not going to spend time debating the pointless neo-Swiftian modest proposal that you threw out in your second post. You and I both know that neither the establishment of government-sanctioned racial homelands nor the abolition of basic civil-rights protections have the slightest chance of happening in our lifetimes, or in the lifetimes of today’s newborn children.
Six Flags is completely unfamiliar with, or opposed to, the idea of willingly suspending disbelief while evaluating a notion on ethical grounds. Noted. We must presume he got nothing out of the landmark “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas”, et al.
Anyway, the funny thing is that the likely outcome of Federal disintegration will not be nearly so favorable to blacks as the above proposal. When the Federal government goes belly up, killed by Medicaid and the neocon-Obama wars, and no longer propped up by the subtotal surplus in Medicare and Social Security, the states will likely secede en masse and just repudiate the debt. At this point Six Flag’s privilege of living wherever he wants, including in communities which don’t want him there (which apparently became a “basic civil right” when noöne was looking!), will have evaporated completely. Mexico City’s critique of US immigration policies notwithstanding, independent countries have the right to enact any immigration policy they want.
The probable solution will not be as clean as the one I propose. Michigan will have to fence off Detroit and Pontiac; Mississippi and Alabama will turn into South Africa and Zimbabwe, etc.
In short, I’d be okay with it only if there were designated mulitracial areas and if no homeowners were forced to sell under any circumstances.
Then you’re saying that you don’t REALLY want mono-racial homelands, because there would inevitably be some homeowners of the “wrong race” who would want to remain in their homes.
I wonder if this is supposed to be a criticism? I don’t believe in Six Flags’ preconceived, hated notion of a “mono-racial homeland”, so I don’t really believe in what I want? I want a Maxwell’s Demon, simple as that. I have no problem with existing black homeowners retaining their homes in my region, my state, or even my neighborhood.
But that’s a bit too nuanced for the guy whose critique for Arthur Rushton and J. Phillipe Jensen is matched by his critique for Olave duh’Californian.
And finally …
Because we are doing so as we speak. America is at peace…
We just came out of a summer of anti-white pogroms. The Czars called it peace when there were anti-Jewish pogroms. How deadly do you think Kristallnacht was? Compared with the mid-1940s, not very.
if you want to see a country in a civil war, I can point you to a number of other countries in the past couple decades on four other continents. If you’re talking specifically about crime, the rate of violent crime has plummeted nationwide in the last twenty years, at the same time that the country has become increasingly diverse. (And speaking of that increasing diversity, the exclusive focus on black and white, and on monoracial people for that matters, is so Twentieth Century.)
I’m supposed to focus on a group of people that isn’t kicking in the skulls of my people? Who? Samoans? The rate of homicide has skyrocketed over the last sixty years, at the same time as latter-day civil right legislation (and regulations and court decisions) were created.
I for one am not going to wait for a full-blown civil war to get informed and get hardened. I’m not just going to count white bodies and “remain calm” until a magic number is hit. If blacks feel oppressed by whites, they have the right to autonomy. Whites are definitely, demonstrably, and intentionally oppressed by the multiracial anti-white coalition that controls the Federal government.
Whites have the right to autonomy. That is all.
Just do what I do, concealed carry. And of course, avoid the ‘groids and their TNB.
Notice the resident black poster’s (RBP) complete and utter failure to grasp simple statistics and concepts of proportion. Typical…
Six Flags, I don’t think you have the right to tell us what we can do, who we can associate with, who we can hire, etc. This is freedom. You offer tyranny and call it freedom because you get to win by default. That’s a bad deal.
You talk about reality, what you mean is ignoring reality, pretending race doesn’t exist (but only when it is convenient for you) , ignoring scientific facts in the name of politics masquerading as truth, and the demonization of those who disagree with the non-word “racist”.
It is plain to anyone more intelligent than a retarded box-turtle that in the game of Black and White enforced equality, Whites are the major losers. So it makes perfect sense that we want out of this genocidal con-game calling itself the Civil Rights movement.
Of course, in your simple-minded hate, you don’t care, because air conditioning and internet and jobs beats the shit out of malaria, mud huts, and cannibalism. No, you want a free and unfettered right to everything Whites create. Anyone who attempts to deny you your divine right to our produce is a “racist”, “hater” or “not grounded in reality”.
I’ve got news for you: we are waking up. In the future, you will have less access to White technology, know-how, women, etc. All those things you lust after and demand as your right, will not be surrendered by default as they are now. White democrats are dying out.
P.S. As a final thought, know that the freedoms in the USA were again created by Whites and for Whites. They have never arisen in any Black-run nation except as a parody in modern times. The thought of you and your race was entirely absent, and the plain letter of the word of the founders is a common acknowledgement of the the lower position and achievements of the Black race, which is evident not only from the testimony of Whites, but also from accounts of Arabs, Jews, Chinese, etc. In other words, reality.
It’s you. Not us. Now get lost.
Six Flags–were you somehow confusing my posts with that of another? I really can not answer for another person!
“Notice the resident black poster’s (RBP) complete and utter failure to grasp simple statistics and concepts of proportion.”
Surprising as it is, it oughn’t be. These are arguments against the sociobiology of his kind. He is implicated. Always bear in mind the logic in suppressing these truths: if they were to go viral offline and reach centers of power, something would actually have to be done about the presence of blacks. (And their Jewish zoo-keepers; no offense UP.) For this nearly everyone lacks the will. All debate is so much verbal flourish over the basic war of EGI. Arm a slave with the master’s language, he will use it against the master.
“I have no problem with existing black homeowners retaining their homes in my region, my state, or even my neighborhood.”
Then you have no problem with their offspring going feral in your neighborhood.
“Whites have the right to autonomy. That is all.”
In fact we haven’t. Which is why one must make assertions of right. This is not a legal case; it is a war of attrition. Debating wogs and their whiteskin patrons is wasted energy.
I largely agree with you uh. We need to assert rights long forgotten.
As the offspring feral in my neighborhood, there really aren’t any. When I wrote that, I was thinking specifically of my actual neighborhood which is several hundred whites plus the family that runs the Chinese Restaurant. Other whites may feel differently based on their neighborhoods, but I think good police protection by non-PC police, a steady outflow of black renters, and rebounding white birthrates should be enough to save white America. Oh yes, and no immigration and AA.
Ugh now I feel gloomy.
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It’s another desperate attempt by the international socialist Cult of Inter-Racial Equality to try and prove that for every Black murderer there are at least as many White murderers, if not more. Thus, how could it not be wonderful and enriching to immigrate millions of Negroes and Muslims into Europe? Isn’t it just so wonderful.
Europe will fall into civil war, the outcome of which is that the socialists will ally with the Muslims until Sharia Law is imposed, and the One World Caliphate is ever closer, which is the same One World Government the socialists want.
It is inevitable now, unless a one-child policy is imposed on all people of non-European descent, which I am sure, the weak minded will never for a moment accept, as it is just terribly racist.
Yes. It is. That is how our race will survive — or not.
uh: UP is white, not jewish.
Guede (above), then 20, was a drug-dealing drifter and native of the Ivory Coast (national average IQ approximately 69) who had been living in Perugia for 15 years. Adopted at 16 by one of Perugia’s wealthiest families, he was asked to leave their home one year later, when he dropped out of school and simply refused to show up for the gardening job they gave him. His adopted father characterized him as a disappointment.
This is the part that really made my gorge rise. Props to Heliogabalus for being one of the only people here who latched onto this obscenity. Meredith Kercher might still be living and many other lives would not be marred by the existence of Rudy Guede were it not for “one of Perugia’s wealthiest families” and their twisted need to have a “Third World fashion accessory”.
As a final thought, know that the freedoms in the USA were again created by Whites and for Whites. They have never arisen in any Black-run nation except as a parody in modern times.
What is disturbing is how the above describes reality. Look at how many black majority countries in Africa are dictatorships or one party states; or are simply failed states with no protections for life, liberty or property. And I need not comment on what a running fiasco Haiti has been.
Of course, the USA is not Africa, and American blacks are not quite the same as African, but even so, this ought to give pause to people who think that being a white minority is nothing to worry about. Look at how this worked in Zimbabwe and rainbow South Africa.
Black Africans are rarely held accountable for the destruction they have wrought on what whites built during the colonial era. Not simply the destruction of physical infrastructure, but the efforts that whites made toward building modern institutions, especially a modicum of civil order.
There’s an idealized vision of blacks created by liberals, especially in the media, as bearers of some kind of truth about freedom. You know the drill: blacks were oppressed therefore they can enlighten us with their wisdom about how we can all be equal so let’s sing kumbaya together with Morgan Freeman conducting. Yet the reality has been the Idi Amins and Mugabes and Malawis and Somalias and “Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer.”
Can anyone point to any black run country that is in the lead of freedom and progress in the world today?
Just some random thoughts…
“uh: UP is white, not jewish.”
I seem to recall him explaining that he is half Jew. If that is correct, he is that much less my people, and that much theirs. He’s a good kid though, endlessly brilliant, makes my head ache with the laughter induced by his writing, and out of goodwill, I would never want to see his identity threshold challenged by extreme political events that might force him to decide which half of his heritage is expendable, and face the terrible possibility it may after all have been implicated in the very farces and tragedies he catalogs here. But I suspect, in that event, we would see the usual way of these things owing to no more than familial allegiance. We are here because a certain narrative has flowed throughout Western society, evidently reaching Italian judiciary, which originated in the West among the Ashkenazim. I can’t demonstrate that this narrative is responsible for a Perugian couple adopting an Ivorian who went on to murder an, I suppose, white British girl. Yet I know that if not for certain elements within the European Union gov’t, and of course the Marxist Left, imposing alien codes upon the Italian people, such an adoption might be unlikely if not wholly impossible. Jews to blame? Who knows, who cares. But we know enough to accept that a heavy prejudice here would serve us better in a fight than thoroughness.
uh: No, the victim was half-White. The degeneracy in this case runs deep and spans generations.
So far the racial angle hasn’t come above the radar in this story, even though in this case a mean nasty (presumably white) gun-owner pointed a scary at a taxi driver of color. Result: rapist of color in custody, white (knight?) a hero.
I think this will be the last time I mention this. (It’s of no importance to me, but very great importance to other people, apparently.) My heritage is 100 percent European, as well as a quarter to a half Ashkenazi (due to white admixture on the “Jewish” side), and it is certain that no part of that heritage was involved in any of these “farces and tragedies.” No Marxists, Communists, NAACP founders or immigration reformers in my family tree. (One Luftwaffe officer, though.)
Just watched another holocaust “documentary” on French television – but produced by a German network.
I put documentary in quotes, because the keepers of the flame mixed black and white films from the war years with supposedly Jewish home movies of the persecuted children in color.
Not a lot of people in Europe filmed home movies of their children in color at that time. Especially in dark hiding places while waiting for the German security police.
Amazing how the color home movies had not faded over time like the black and white film clips had.
It is against the law in France to notice details.
About UP’s Jewish heritage: if a male person with a Jewish heritage even stronger than your own never voluntarily involves himself in Jewish religious or political activities after his bar mitzvah other than family weddings and funerals, he is usually a great guy.
Californian: What is disturbing is how the above describes reality. Look at how many black majority countries in Africa are dictatorships or one party states; or are simply failed states with no protections for life, liberty or property. And I need not comment on what a running fiasco Haiti has been.
I invite you to examine a very simple thought experiment regarding “The Dark Side of Corruption“.
Dismissing such uninhabited areas as the Australian outback, it is quite apparent that corruption drives a majority of this world’s wars, famine, disease and poverty.
Looking at Knox, and her boyfriend, the sentimental side of me says “I hope she did not do it”, either the murder, or the “sex game” which they were allegedly involved in. Yet I do not doubt that our debased culture has produced many monsters, who outwardly appear to be pretty coeds, exchange students, and Italian youth.
I am not willing to accept that crime is biological determined, because that exonerates the criminal from responsibility. But six flags seems to miss the point entirely. Al Sharpton still gets on TV, despite the Tawana Brawley hoax. Michael “the canine assassin” Vick is making millions, and white, asian and hispanic people are being attacked by mobs of blacks spouting racial epithets. Since other groups are not “permitted” to bring these criminals to heel, it is up to the blacks themselves to do so. If I saw a group of whites assaulting a black man, it would be my duty as a southern christian gentleman to intervene. Does six flags not feel a similar duty?
No, he doesn’t.
Keith, blacks (in general) identify much more strongly as blacks than as Americans or simply as human beings. They have a very strong racial consciousness — the strongest, I think. Whites, on the other hand, do not. This difference explains so much of black-white race relations in contemporary America.
Note the spontaneous outpouring of support among blacks for black (only) murderers sentenced to die for their horrific crimes, especially black murderers of white people. Blacks (in general) simply do not care much about the victims of black crime (as violence for them is a way of life), and they do not care at all about the white victims (as they despise white people). (Aside: more black violent crime is committed against whites than against blacks.) Blacks do not care about our society and civilization, either — it’s all white to them. They only care that the “white man’s justice system” is executing one of their own.
Here is the must-read 2006 American Renaissance series on black racial consciousness: part 1, part 2, part 3.
Zenster, I do not think it is “quite apparent” at all. Correlation is not causation. Why isn’t war, famine, disease and poverty driving corruption? Or each driving the other? Or each driven by a third cause?
Aside from the few remaining Communist dictatorships, race is an excellent predictor for both corruption and war, famine, disease and poverty. (See Richard Lynn’s “IQ & Global Inequality.”)
Six Flags, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Private clubs and organizations can discriminate all they like based on race. The US Supreme Court only ruled that clubs with over 600 members are not really private.Of course that’s an arbitrary number in my opinion but the case involved those large national clubs like the Rotary.
And btw, it is also legal in NY to discriminate in housing based on race or anything else.If an owner who lived on the property that had 4 or less units put up a sign saying no Negroes allowed it would be legal and you could not sue for discrimination.
And Six Flags, stop using the term Asian because it can mean any race, from the Caucasians in the West and also the southwest, to the Mongol race of the Far East to the Negroid types of southern India and Ceylon.
When most people talk about the marginally higher IQ’s of Asians they are referring to the Far East and in reality only the top 20% middle classes who are tested (those IQ’s are much lower than the top 20% of Caucasians which would be 120+ compared to their 105)
And btw, Jews in Europe are descended from a Caucasian ethnic group from West Asia from the old Khazar empire. They adopted the old Hebrew cult a 1k years ago at the same time that Russia became Christian and the south became Muslim and people were adopting more modern religions from the Shamanism that most were practicing at the time. So when you’re discussing IQ remember that Jews are Caucasians and belong in that class and not in a separate Jew class. The same is true with Muslims whether from the Balkans or Turkey (Istanbul is in Europe anyway) These are all White people despite some religious differences. Even in India the caste system kept the people with a high % of Indo European Aryan blood separated from the Negroid types.
Some rich folks in town needed to be like Angelina and Bono so they ‘adopted’ and when they found Guede to be incorrigible
they dumped him… cost Meredith her life.
they met at a classical music concert. RE: PA
KEITH……the damn judge tried the ‘satanic sex’ alibi previously and failed but tried it again here.